Hello

I�s the 404 the same case as ultra magnum cartridges??
In the quest for better brass quality than remington in the long ultra family, I wonder if it's possible to use 404 cases?

The only lack remington has with it's cartridges is the brass quality. Does anyone know if other ammo manufacturers will follow remington and make ultra ammo.

I hope that either Winchester or someone else designs a serie of long beltless magnums based on the 404.

Cheers

Johan,

I have just received some 300 Ultra brass, and here is a comparison between them and Norma 404 brass.

Rim diameter - Norma - 0.539, REm - 0.531
Just ahead of the extractor groove:

Norma - 0.540, Rem 0.545
Length: Norma - 2.868, Rem - 2.839

I hope these measurements are of help to you.

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saeed@ emirates.net.ae

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Federal cartridge has come out with 300 ultra loaded with 180gr trophy bonded bear claws.Remington did reduce the rim size so standard 404 brass cannot be used.

I see where Rem is coming out with short action mag also based on thier ulta case, from what I've seen it looks a little better than Win.'s short mag. I guess the race is on in thenew and improved line. Wonder why it took so long though. Short and wide has been around for quite a while, guess it just took time to catch on....

Thanks

It seems like the new cartridges require special brass. To bad. The best way by my opinion is to use an exsisting case. Why reinvent the wheel.? I seriously hope that winchester will do a long line of long mags. Win brass is better than the crap from remington.

Its a simple matter to form any of the new cartridges from standard 404 brass, cut off, neck down or up, resize and fireform...

What a bunch of hype, the blown out sholder etc....the most enduring thing about the 404 and the 375,300 H&H is that long sloping shoulder that makes feeding and extraction so easy and foolproff, the most important aspect of a DGR...and what is more amazing is the number of people that buy off on that sort of thing.

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Ray Atkinson

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