Mads

Eddie

Shooter's Choice works well, if you have time to leave it in the bore overnite as KING noted, as does Birchwood Casey's Bore Cleaner.

If the gun's a known fouler, or, if I can see copper in there, I'll usually hit the bore with either Tetra Gun or Bore Tech, clean that out good, then stick a B-C patch in there overnite (Shooter's Choice has such a petroleum smell it kinds of makes me queasy), and follow up the next day with some JB Bore Cleaner paste.

R-WEST

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Finish with a very lightly oiled patch.

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After all that experimenting I concluded one way to insure a squeaky clean barrel within a minumum of time and exertion, was to get out the carbon first with a mixture of Shooter's Choice and Kroil. Two patches with that. Then, following the directions carefully, JB bore cleaner, 10 trips first, reverse the patch, and 10 more. A clean patch wrapped around a worn out bore brush with a bit of Kroil, 10 trips, reverse and 10 more. One clean patch on a jag with a tiny bit of Kroil, or your favorite bore oil and you're done.

Sweet's and CR10 took about equal time between them, but with the wait for the stuff to act it takes forever to get the copper out. I found that in the same barrels as with the JB, I'd have to treat the bore 2 or 3 times to remove all copper. Too much time and effort.

Last year I was shooting one gun several times a week on an experiment (338WSM) and had little time to clean adequately being more concerned with loads and load development. I hadn't used the Butch's Bore Shine, which I got right after that initial experiment. I also didn't have time to borescope the barrel. I opted to clean with Butch's first removing the carbon with Shooter's and Kroil. I put the Butch's on a nylon bore brush with about 10 trips, adding solvent at the muzzlle on the 5th trip. I let it sit while loading, sometimes 15 minutes, sometimes a couple of hours. Then remove the residue with a couple of dry patches, and another clean patch on a jag with Butch's. If no color, a patch with Kroil and back to the range. At the conclusion of about 400 rounds I expected a totally coppered up bore. I cleaned that barrel as above, time about 5 minutes, dried it and checked. Surprise! Not one speck of copper!! To say I was impressed was putting it mildly. I never put a bronze brush through the bore, only jags, patches and a nylon brush. It's been by far the best and fastest method I've ever encountered.

I believe all the cleaners and methods work. Instructions from the manufacturer must be followed. You can't apply Hoppe's instructions to JB, or JB's to Iosso, nor to Sweet's or CR10. The guys that make the stuff know how it works best. It's just a matter of finding a system that works for one person's comfort. I'm lazy. I'll take this method with Butch's.

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Regards Martin

I bought some stuff called Montana X-treme from Sinclair International and I am flat impressed.

Anytime I can clean a rifle bore without resorting to bronze brushes and with less effort I am going to be happy. With both, Butch's and Montana X-Treme I can quite often get a bore clean with just a few patches and maybe a half hour of time.

I like to swab them with wet patches several times then let them sit 5 to 10 minutes. Then do it again, this time trying to sort of "scrub" the barrel with the swab. Then I let it soak a little longer. Often a few of these sessions is all it takes. Sometimes I will need to resort to brushing, but often times I do not need to. Both of these products are OK to leave in a barrel and let it soak a while. On really dirty barrels I have left both of those solvents soaking overnight with good effect.

A guy brought over a 6 X 284 Winchester that he had not cleaned in over a year. I really had to scrub that one with several brushes, but MAN did I get a lot of stuff out of it with the Montana X-treme!! (Had to soak that one overnight)

Anyway, I feel these are the best two solvents out there. Having said that, if a barrel is REALLY coppered up, there is nothing like some Barnes CR-10 and some nylon brushes.

R F

Wes

Ammonia will cut coppering, and it neutralizes the corrosive salts in corrosive primers. With ol' Turk Mauser ammo I swab the bore with ammonia dilute 1 part to 3 parts water. This cuts coppering and neutralizes the corrosive primer salt.

But I run a dry patch and then an oiled patch to prevent rust. I like TetraLube as an "oil."

Tetra Bore Cleaner seems to work for me. Lots and lots of ammonia in it. But I'm always shopping for a better way to clean a bore.

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I went through all the phases you can go through. At one time I was cleaning with top engine cleaner first, then an ammonia base cleaner, brushing my heart out, then a follow up with JB. Along the way I bought every new "whatzit" that some guru said was the greatest.

I bought a borescope from Bald Eagle a while back just to see what was taking place on the "inside". A friend was helping me set up the scope, and gave me a can of the latest wonder cleaner he had discovered. That was my first experience with Wipeout. Let me say that for me it made more sense than any other method of cleaning. No brushing (longer barrel and throat life) No ACID, NO AMMONIA (for sure no pitting) Now all I push through a barrel is a cotton patch. It finally dawned on me that this method is safe, inexpensive, and relaible. The bore scope says so. Guess what I don't miss all the brushing, or the smell or having to remember just which one of the bottles to use next.

If you need something to do to keep you away from the wife and kids, use three , four or five of those other cleaners. If you ruin your arm or a barrel, so what!

But if you have other things to do, and still want dead clean barrels, use Wipeout. The difference is amazing, I actually enjoy cleaning my guns. What is that line on T.V. "You deserve a break today". You can find out a lot more on the web site www.sharpshoor.com

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I wipe throught with Kroil to get rid of the black and a proprietry gun oil to store. Every half box (10 rounds) I leave Hoppes no9 in overnight. This seems to keep everything manageable. The 222 doesn't seem to ever foul so it gets the Hoppes every 2 boxes

I've searched for "wipe out," "wipeout," "wipe-out," including variations of "Paul Co." and "Paul Company." I found ONE dead page for www.paulcompany.com, and that was it. I found ONE place selling "Wipe-Out" from "Paul Co."

What is it, some "secret" product???

Russ

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THANK YOU!!!

Russ

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