I bought a box of Hornady 165gr. SST bullets and I want to develop a deer load for whitetails out to 100yds. The powders I have on hand are IMR 4064, IMR 4350, RL-15 and Varget. Looking for suggestions for loads using these powders.

Your best bet is to check reloading manuals and web sites. There's lots of info there.

I have already done that, I was asking for information from those who had experience with this combination of components.

There is a 30-06 around here that does well with 165 gr bullets. It does very well with 4064. I use less than a maximum powder charge. On a calm day, it will put 5 shots into a thumb nail at 100, maybe 3/8 inch center to center.

Time to burn some powder. You may not get the accuracy you want with 50 bullets. If hitting an 8 inch paper plate at 100 yards is what you want, that is probably all you need for a 100 yd deer, all will work. If you want extreme accuracy. There are differing combinations of powder type and weight, overall length, crimp or not and how much crimp, which primer.

It is a grand journey to work up an accurate load for a rifle.

My Sauer 202 in .30-06 groups 165 Sierra GK /N 160 / 60.5 <.5 MOA. at 2900 ft" and kills like lightning.

I have posted before, if you have a 30-06 that will not shoot well a load of 57-58grs of 4350 and any good 165gr bullet, sell the rifle. This should give you @2800fps.

What Beeman said. All of mine like 57 grains of any 4350.

4350 or 4064 should both do okay.
the sst is a fairly soft bullet so high velocity's are not needed for it to do it's job.

4350 165 grain and up
4064 150 grain and down

Information is useless, I was asking for specific loads you have experience with.

Is that H4350?

It is IMR 4350, read my post before responding please.

Read your post. Trying to confirm Wasbeeman, Lamar, and Vines post.

I have used all three and they all work well. Since the OP is being a dick about it, then to be specific, 57 grains of IMR4350 should work, but he could have got that from my previous post or wasbeeman's post if he had comprehension skills.

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);30 January 2017 19:0430 January 2017 19:04Hide PostInformation is useless, I was asking for specific loads you have experience with.

Information is useless, I was asking for specific loads you have experience with.

well Gunswizard,
what I load in my 30-06 way not shoot well in your 30-06 only your rifle will tell you what it likes. yours might like 56.5 grians or it might 58 grains of 4350

Just looking for suggestions, being a handloader for more than 40 yrs. I do realize what works in one rifle may not work in my rifle.

I have used 4064 and 4350 with good results.

1.IMR 4064 49gr. 165 sst and several other 165s

2. IMR 4350 57gr. 165 sst.

Both shot to about 1"to 1.25" 5 shot groups at 100.

Interesting.... 40 years a reloader and you want specific data that may not work in your rifle.....

Asking questions is a way to learn, you should try it sometime.

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Originally posted by Gunswizard:
Asking questions is a way to learn, you should try it sometime.

The other half of the equation is listening to answers, and you should try it sometime

You should try minding your own business especially when you have nothing useful to add to the discussion Mr. Smartypants.

Dude, gun"wizard" ..

165gr bullets are pretty standard for a 30-06, with load data going back over a century -- with 40 years reloading experience, you might have missed the part where PEOPLE SUE EACH OTHER over internet load data..

or how to read a dozen or so reloading manuals and find a safe load to start with YOUR limited powder selection and begin to develop YOUR safe loads (however you see fit) in YOUR rifle, and, if you have one, over your chrony -- as that appears to be the only answers that will satisfy you.

in fact, you said YOU want to develop loads and looking for suggested loads -- you got them, the rest is up to you

*I* wouldn't share an exact load with you, especially when exhibiting a limited knowledge of how to use reloading data in today's world. In fact, that you aren't asking what COAL, primer, and brass sort of scares me ---I don't trust MY OWN loads if i change one of those variables, and I sure as all heck won't freely share those exact loads with someone being more than a bit of a jerk over receiving what many would accept as decent starting places for load development.

Your posts have come over as EXTREMELY tactless and demanding --

please recall the social contract you are engaging in

YOU are REQUESTING others to share information -

You don't get to demand what data you receive, only what data you will use

you don't get to scold when persons share with you loads, or ranges of loads, that they offer as advice - as you aren't paying for, nor entered into a formal contract, it is ENTIRELY up to you to process every answer you get- regardless if you like it or not -- its NOT up to ANYONE else to fit your requirements of filters.



Sir, you're being a jerk.

"information is useless, looking for specifics" is quite rude - then "looking for suggestions" .. well, you got them, several...

here's MY suggestion - you haven't listed the type of rifle you plan to use, so nah, i won't share pet loads with you .. is it a garand, a 1903 low SN, a remington semi or pump, or what? all of these make a huge difference ...

"out to" 100 yards? -- that far, huh?

you are using, to me, decent powders, but what are YOUR criterion for a decent load? is it 1/8" groups? is it 3,100 fps? is it long brass life, or what?

because, frankly, any expanding 165gr 308 bullet at about 2" or less, something over 1500fps, at impact, will kill deer double dead -- (30-30 with heavy bullets)

So, you've been given good starting points under the parameters you've proved - no reason to be a jerk about it not being EXACTLY what you wanted...

btw, i use h335 in 308 and 30-06, with this same bullet,with fantastic hunting results and accuracy .. using federal 210 primers and starting loads for the powder - sitting -0.03 off the rifling -- i don't recall, and can't be bothered to look it up, if i even chrono'ed these, as the starting load functioned in the rifles, shot well, and had good bullet performance on pigs, deer, and exotics ...


cheers- have a great weekend, hope your team wins the big game and all your kids are happy

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Originally posted by Gunswizard:
Just looking for suggestions, being a handloader for more than 40 yrs. I do realize what works in one rifle may not work in my rifle.

Would have been nice, during those 40 years, if you'd have learned how not to be an azzhole. And if you've been reloading for 40 years, you should have learned how to develop a load.
I'm done with you.

GFY

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Originally posted by wasbeeman:

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Originally posted by Gunswizard:
Just looking for suggestions, being a handloader for more than 40 yrs. I do realize what works in one rifle may not work in my rifle.

Would have been nice, during those 40 years, if you'd have learned how not to be an azzhole. And if you've been reloading for 40 years, you should have learned how to develop a load.
I'm done with you.

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Originally posted by Gunswizard:
GFY

wow, i expect that means "good for you"

Wow like I'm sure everyone here, I just wait for some more enlightened posts by Gunwizard. His forum name tells us there is so much more to come that will enhance our lives.

Do us all a favour and please apply your last post to yourself GW.

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Originally posted by Gunswizard:
You should try minding your own business especially when you have nothing useful to add to the discussion Mr. Smartypants.

Thanks for the PM repeating your message above Gunswizard. I see you seem to have crawled back into your shell and haven't posted anymore, can't say you will be missed.

I got the information I was seeking from the adult posters and have no need for worthless juvenile wisecracks from posters like you. Have a nice day.

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posted document.write('<nobr>'+ myTimeZone('Mon, 06 Feb 2017 21:07:12 GMT- F I was seeking from the adult posters and have no need for worthless juvenile wisecracks from posters like you. Have a nice day.

we at AR has given you the best info we can for your rifle. you need to find the sweet spot for yours.. I once got some load date for my .280 rem. a man told me many,many years ago to try 59 grains of RL-19 .. that was to hot for my rifle. I had to settle on 57.0 grains.. as for as an adult. the adults gave you the best possible answers here to try... most everyone on here will agree with me. all you had to do was load 16 rounds, 4 each to find your sweet spot. not that hard.. I myself been loading over 35 years. when I do post a load for my rifles. I will tell you to start low and work up..

Thanks vines, I have loaded 10 rounds each with the powders and charges recommended to me here. I have 80 rounds waiting for the weather to be nice enough for a range session.

In 40 years of load work up, what yardage do you use

Depends, most of the time 100yds. tho there are situations where I use 50 before moving to 100.