7 x 64 Brenneke, stutzen rifle (20" barrell) with 140/160 gr. bullets and IMR 3031. Any load?
Thanks in advance

140 gr Rem CL, OAL = 3.307

45.3 gr IMR 3031 should do 2700 fps out of your 20" bbl.

Thank you DT, I will be proof your charge.
Hector

The barrel-length of 20" is not ideal for the 7x64 and 3031 is a very unusual powder for the 7mmBrenneke. Normally you use 4831 or R19 and R22 and perhaps 4350, but 3031 is very fast! Okay, you get some "muzzle-flame" in this short barrel, but pressure and speed are in better ranges.

Dear Monastery-Forester
I love hunt and rifles and them, I have some stutzen rifles (6,5x54 MSch; 7,65x54; 8x57 JS and 9,3x62) but nothing in seven milimeters.
By this way, I think the Brenneke caliber are the fast of the usual short seven (non magnum): 7x57 and 7-08 and a equivalent of 3031 are common powder in my country. These are the reasons of my inquiry. In short barrell I push with more velocity the bullets with the 7x64.
Best Regards.
Hector

Does "stuzen" mean short rifle?

Even in a short barreld gun, the 7x64 asks for a slow powder. But if you have no other powder on hand, you can try with 3031, but it is not ideal! The 7x64 is the standard caliber in Germany, nearly the german 06, and it does a great job on red deer, boar and all european game.

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Originally posted by Old Elk Hunter:
Does "stuzen" mean short rifle?

In Central (Germanic) Europe, "Stutzen" normally designates a full stocked rifle - what in the US is often referred to as a "Mannlicher" style.

These rifles are mostly short (barrel lengths typically 20-21"), but you would not use the word "Stutzen" just to designate a short rifle. Example, Steyer-Mannlicher used to have 2 versions of their rifles equipped with the short barrel. The full stock version was designated "Stutzen", the half stock version was designated "Goiserer" (pardon me if my spelling is incorrect).

I have heard other uses of the word "Stutzen", most particularly in Switzerland (e.g. designating a hunting-match target type rifle, without relation to its stock type). But I have a feeling this use of the word is pretty local, and should not confused with the general meaning of a fully stocked rifle.

I think there may also be a historic use of the word, but I'm not totally aware of what type of (front loader?) rifles were designated thus???
- mike

Dear Old Elk Hunt,
I do not understand what do you express with " mean short rifle" (I'm sorry for my bud English).
For my, the stutzen are the best rifles for the wood, and maybe, the mountains. My stutzen's have 17" of barrell (6,5x54 and 7,65x54), 18" barrell (9,3x62; .308 and 8x57 JS) and I' will be thinking in 20" barrell for the 7x64 Brenneke (I have other rifle in 7x64 -Sauer 200- with 24" barrell).
Dear Monastery-Forester:
I'm understand you reason (opinion for the fast powder election) and my reloads for the Sauer 200 in this caliber are with slow powders (Rel 22 and 19, IMR 4831-4350-7828, AA 3100, Hogdon's, Rotweill 905, etc.) but in Argentina today it's very dificult to obtain american or german powders (I have one or two canister of every one, but no more). This is the reason for experiment with the argentine (similar) 3031.
Thanks to all.
Hector

You might also try the Selier & Beloit factory load with the 173 grain SPCE bullet. Shoots as well or better than any handload in my Steyr.
LLS

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Originally posted by sierra2:
You might also try the Selier & Beloit factory load with the 173 grain SPCE bullet. Shoots as well or better than any handload in my Steyr.
LLS

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Originally posted by sierra2:

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Originally posted by wrongtarget:

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Originally posted by sierra2:
You might also try the Selier & Beloit factory load with the 173 grain SPCE bullet. Shoots as well or better than any handload in my Steyr.
LLS

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