Why are they always saying to not use the match king's hunting?

My assumption is they may not expand but try calling them and let them explain. Every time that I have called with a question they were quite helpful. 800-223-8799

Be damned if I know!

I have been using them in calibers from .22 to .30 since the early 1960's, and have never had one fail to drop an animal where it stood.

I've only hunted with them once. I used a 300 win mag on a hog that went around 300 or so and I thought it worked perfectly. The boar just rolled over and kicked a couple times and that was it.

Ricciardelli,
What cartridges and what size range of game have you used them on?

Is it that time of the year already again?

Time for another 20 page thread on Match Kings for Hunting???/

if they work for ya, use them...

if they don't try something else...

That should sum it up!

cheers
seafire

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Originally posted by ricciardelli:
Be damned if I know!

I have been using them in calibers from .22 to .30 since the early 1960's, and have never had one fail to drop an animal where it stood.

There's a contingent of hunters that also swear by Hornady's A-Max for deer. I truly suspect these folks were the foundation that led to creation of the SST.

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Originally posted by Jarrod:
I've only hunted with them once. I used a 300 win mag on a hog that went around 300 or so and I thought it worked perfectly. The boar just rolled over and kicked a couple times and that was it.

Ricciardelli,
What cartridges and what size range of game have you used them on?

.22-250 Remington
.243 Winchester
.25-06 Remington
.264 Winchester Magnum
.300 Winchester Magnum
.30-06 Springfield
6mm Remington
7MM Remington Magnum

And I use them on everything from bumble bees to elk at ranges from 35 feet to 725 yards.

Jarrod if you do a search on this subject you will find a 30 page thread on it a year or two back.

The answer is that despite stellar accuracy, the jacket is thin and the lead core is not bonded that well to it, so you run the risk of disintegration and poor penetration if you hit bone.

Personally, I used them on deer and innumerable sheep, and only made heart/lung shots. For the most part the animal dropped like a rock, and I can't think of EVER needing a second shot for 25+ animals. This was with a 190 gr out of a 30-06, and superbly accurate even if they did drop like a stone after 200 yards.

HOWEVER, having said that, I haven't used one for hunting in 25 years and doubt I'll ever use one again for hunting. There are much better bullets out there. I would never rely on one to anchor an animal by breaking a bone, nor would I aim at a rear ham expecting it to penetrate to the vitals, as it wouldn't.

So if you want to use it, just confine your shots to broadside heart/lung shots and you'll do just fine. But if you spook anything while stalking you most likely cannot have a clean kill with this bullet. Or, if you are after stuff larger than deer go with something with more penetration regardless of angle.

Mark

I would think the 150 gr. .30 caliber BT match by Sierra would be IDEAL for antelope - high BC and very, very accurate.

They also offer a boat tail Game King.

WELL SAID SEAFIRE.....what you said should sum it up but I'll bet a 12 pack this thread will go at least 2 pages and probably more like 8!!

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Originally posted by kraky:
WELL SAID SEAFIRE.....what you said should sum it up but I'll bet a 12 pack this thread will go at least 2 pages and probably more like 8!!

Thanks Kraky:

Instead, why don't we just get a 12 pack of Leinies and get shitfaced around the campfire! Works for me!

cheers
seafire

Seafire but then the BS about MK's would really fly.

How come we are still on page one here? The answer to this one is going to be the longest of the either or aswers to be in cyber space. Bottom line is there are better game bullets, but some of us just have to be different... That my two inches...

I have used and still use them on game,..however, I am greatly aware that other bullets work very well and were designed for hunting. My SMK experience in the field has been positive,..but some very vicious blow-ups have occured at high speeds.

If I am shooting one of my match rifles, I am not always going to take away from my barrel life to generate a hunting load,..so I simply just use my match loads,..whether they are SMK or A-max, or berger, or clinch river, or JLK, etc.

I bagged a doe with a 150 gr .308 match bullet this last season. I had to shoot at it a second time. It did preety heavy damage. Almost took the shoulder off.

I dont want to chance a bullet that I dont think is up to PAR.
A lot of you have tons more experience than I have.

That 34 page thread convinced me to give SMKs a try in my 8x57!

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Originally posted by Jarrod:
Why are they always saying to not use the match king's hunting?

I believe it is because some U.S. miltary sniping ammo is loaded with Match Kings, and it is illegal to use "expanding bullets" for military purposes, so these bullets are considered "nonexpanding", thus making them O.K. for sniping! Of course, "nonexpanding bullets" are generally illegal for hunting in the U.S. But, under the same international law which proscribes expanding bullets, the .50 BMG round is also prohibited for antipersonnel purposes, yet we seem to be able ignore that prohibition!

MKs do expand, tested it myself shooting through water filled milkjugs.(100yds.) 150gr from my 708, 39grs. RE15 went through 3 jugs and ended up in the 4th, what carnage when I pulled the trigger, felt sorry for them jugs. Biggest recovered piece of lead weighed 53gr., I'm sure on par with Sierras GameKing and BTs, will be testing those bullets sometime soon. Jay

Oh GAWD!!! Not Again. Didn't we all beat this horse into the ground once and for all?

Someone please put a stop to this. 20+ pages is too much to bear.......again.



Do us all a favor and hunt with some other bullet.

ZM

Most of my shooting is from the bench, and I use a lot of Sierra .224 52gr. HPBT Match bullets and also Sierra .243 70gr. HPBT Match bullets. I use them mainly for their accuracy. Neither is recommended for hunting purposes. They have thin jackets and if they strike woodchuck on bone will make a real mess of the animal. They'll kill an animal just as dead but, but not always cleanly. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

Consider looking at this question from the opisate point of view. Any body ever win a match with a hunting bullet ?
I bet the answer is yes. My point being match bullets are on avarage a little more accurate than Hunting bullets, but that does not mean a hunting bullet is not going to be extreemly accurate. leaves me to wonder what are you gaining by using the match bullet. I have had excelent groups with lots of hunting bullets, And the balistic tips accubonds siearra game kings and many others are prety hard to beat for accuracy. And the newer barnes tripple shock may be a truly revolutionary design in regards to accuracy. I hope somebody comes out with somthing similar at a price a guy can afford to experiment with a little.
...tj3006

34 Pages!

Knock yourselves out!

Click Here for the thread

I HEAR that if you uniform the meplat, that it is not as bad a hunting bullet as you'd think.

What puzzles me is why would anyone WANT to use it. Is it because of it's accuracy? I'm somewhat of a lazy guy but it is conceivable that using a MK on big game COULD be because someone is too lazy to do the load development with a bullet designed for game. Like I said, I'm a lazy guy so let's not get bitter about my comment.

Oh boy here we go!! Lets get out the hot dogs and beer and have a good ole time debateing it until we all say to hell with it.
Sounds like fun to me!!
I'm going to stock up on brew for this one cause it could go into OT!!
My .02 use em if you want to and don't worry bout it. Or don't use em and still don't worry about it.

Hey Steve, Ya got a new shirt!!! (see avatar!)



Other than that, I agree with everything written here.

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Why are they always saying to not use the match king's hunting?

Sierra and most any company will advise against using match bullets for hunting.
It is mainly due to the fact that the hollow point is so small, It is a manfacturing process that results in a tiny cacity hole that could close upon impact rather than open.

I have never used them on game but as you can see alot of others have and had good results.

Sierra probably doesnt want to hear complaints of failure by recomending them , so they dont.

I can say with conviction that uniforming the meplat which results in an opened hollow-point,..they DO work much more like a hunting bullet with some very devastating results. Took about 5-7lbs of internals and spread them all over the beans at 225yds with a 200gr SMK w/iniformed meplats. Also have harvests at 407yds and 376yds with that combo from a 300RUM and the deer were in the dirt with major damage.

Zeke, I am laughing out loud at you and 7Rumloader!

My pigheaded, opinionated and very narrow minded thoughts shall remain my own, but I really think we should debate the use of Sierra Game Kings in .243s and 6mms...

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Originally posted by Collins:
Hey Steve, Ya got a new shirt!!! (see avatar!)



Other than that, I agree with everything written here.

Not really...I just combed my hair (what there is left of it) differently...

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Originally posted by vapodog:


There's a contingent of hunters that also swear by Hornady's A-Max for deer. I truly suspect these folks were the foundation that led to creation of the SST.

Heck, I love the SST! Anchored every deer I ever shot with it (150-165gr in a .308). Wouldn't use them on elk though.

Alright whats going on here??
This topic has been up 4 plus days and still on the first page?
By now we should have at least 2 and 1/2 pages and be well into the name calling and insults!
By page 4 there should have been at least one person calling someone else out to challenge them in a long range shoot!!
Soon after page 6 everyone involved should be at wits end and the insults would then have toppled over into personal emails from the offending members which would only enrage the debate even more and take it to the next level that I call cyberspace Jerry Springer where everyone choses sides and battles till death or until uncle is called or a MOD breaks it up!!

I am pleased that it has been civilized so far with a few jokes thrown in!
But at the same time I am disapointed that it has not taken off like the last time and turned into an all out free for all, no holds barred brawl that would be the talk of this forum and others for months to come.

Oh well maybe next time!!

http://www.seahook.com/bestbullet.jpg

This is a very interesting chart of bullets fired into road kill and wet phone books. The MK is there.

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Originally posted by Scota4570:
http://www.seahook.com/bestbullet.jpg

This is a very interesting chart of bullets fired into road kill and wet phone books. The MK is there.

Thx Scota,

Those 30 caliber SMKs look like a terrible choice for hunting!

But check out those 30 caliber Remington CoreLokts RNs. They seem to have held together and expanded well over a wider range of velocities than most - Even better than a lot of the premium bullets!

Yep, I'm liking the Remington CL round noses. I have come to the realization that I do not kill deer at 300+ yards. Maybe once or twice in 50 deer. I did once cripple and loose a fine buck because I did not hold over enough, you could also say I tried a shot that was too far. In reality, the vast majority have been way under 200 yards. Why not use a bullet that really expands and holds together over the largest possible velocity range? The good old roundnose does that.

Full metal jackets kill, too. I wouldn't use them on game, however, even where or when legal.

I knew a guy who used his .220 Swift for everything, including moose and bear. He was one of those guys who knows better than the rest of us, and we are just plain stupid for disagreeing with him, you know?

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the 50BMG round is also prohibited for antipersonnel purposes.

You really believe that. Not what they told us in Iraq

Tis the season.

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Originally posted by Jarrod:

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the 50BMG round is also prohibited for antipersonnel purposes.

You really believe that. Not what they told us in Iraq

Yeah, can't use the Mk 19 either, too bad.