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Anyone shot game with it and give me some loads and looks like a good one to punch out to a 9.3x62?
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I have a Turk large ring small thread. DPCD Octo'd the receiver, had it re-hardened and fitted a new octo barrel. Chambered with a new reamer I bought, for a nice case fit. 48.5 of H 4895 gave me 2336 fps with Norma 286 grn bullets and no pressure issues. I didnt want anymore power than that, so didnt try to up the charge. Whats not to like?
 
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Yes 40s 9.3x57 is a very unique one. Nothing wrong with the 9.3x57.
I have also punched many of them out to 62, for ease of ammo procurement. There is always the possibility that the old 57 shoulder will not clean up but I have never had one yet. Out of about ten.
 
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I had/have a Husky M146. Using reformed 8x57mm Mauser brass I got up to 2415 fps. using 55gr. I 4064 with a 286gr. Prvi RN without any signs of pressure. I just couldn't fit anymore powder into the case. I was up to 9 reloadings using the once fired 8mm brass when I had Tom rechamber it to x63.

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I've had a half dozen over the years, all Husqvarnas, & still own 3, along with a Husqvarna 649 in 9.3x62. Of the 3 '57's I still have, one is a Model 46 [built on a '96 action]. It is a dream to carry in the Canadian Shield where I hunt [think black spruce & cedar swamps where 50 yards is a very long shot & I take my hat off to you if you can even see 75 yards]; short, light, easy to swing. It is exactly the type of hunting that the Swedes loved it for. It is noticeably lighter & better balanced than either of my 2 Model 146 M98-based Husqvarnas, even though 1 has had its barrel cut to 21.5" [the other retains its original barrel length].
If you decide you want to convert one of these to 9.3x62, I would caution you that there is more to it than just running a reamer in & calling it done. The feed rails on your action will need altering & your magazine box is not the same. It is shorter & narrower than the mag. box on an original '62 rifle, at least on my current '62, as well as 3 others I've owned. If you really want a 9.3x62 on a M98 frame, I think it would be easier & likely cheaper to just find one of those, rather than work over a 9.3x57, although I much prefer the barrel profile on a Model 146 to that of the later 649. Besides, on a M98 action in good condition [& I haven't seen any of these not in at least that condition], there is absolutely no reason it could not be loaded up to its potential, the same as any other factory cartridge that FN [the action maker] offered them in. Remember that even the ballistics of the current Norma factory ammunition is equal to the original 1906 ballistics of the 9.3x62.
If the ~.358 Winchester-level ballistics of the 9.3x57 cartridge are insufficient for your needs, I would suggest that the 9.3x62 are not a large enough step up for your requirements. [Think .375 H&H and up].

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First post; welcome to the forum.
I've rechambered many 57s to 62s, and the magazines feed fine as it. The mag boxes are not shorter or narrower.
Come over and I'll show you some.
The 57s are cheaper here because ammo is hard to find. So I recharger them.
 
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Ray, if you need dies, I have some Hornadys.


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I think I have dies with the gun,if not I will holler and depending o nwhat I do with the gun


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I love the 98 Mauser and the 9.3x62, so I think Ill punch it out to a 9.3x62 and if I need a 9,3x57 I will use less powder in my 62. Ive done several of the 98 Huskys and all I ever had done was punch one out, rails worked and box fit on the Huskys 98, but if not for whatever reason I have more than a few boxes and rail work isn't rocket science.

Ive always thought a 9.3x338 would be a dandy and since I need another rifle like I need a hole in the head that would be different!!


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Ray, would a 9.3x338 have a 9.3x62 case or 338WM case? If the latter, it would be a great idea but perhaps less legally useful than one using a .375 bullet. If the former, would it have much advantage over the 338-06 or 333 OKH (the way Elmer Keith claimed to load it)?

Does the 9.3x62 have greater powder capacity?

With its smaller head, I wonder if its enduring reputation comes most from having fast twist, allowing heavier bullets than Remington envisaged for its commercialised .35 Whelen.

If it is the 9.3mm bore size you're thinking of, other more-powerful versions are already out there like the 9.3×64 and 9.3x66. The advantage I see in the x62 is its efficiency and the wide availability of ammo on most continents now.
 
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Re: would a 9.3x338 have a 9.3x62 case or 338WM case?

A .338 Winchester Magnum case, necked up to 9.3 mm.

Re: Does the 9.3x62 have greater powder capacity?

9.3x57 63.0
.338-06 69.0
.35 Whelen 70.2
9.3x62 78.0 [11% greater than the .35 Whelen]
9.3-338 90.0
9.3x64 88.0
9.3x66 81.0

Re: twist

Actually, all of Husqvarnas's 9.3 offerings, whether 9.3x57 or 9.3x62 have barrels with a relatively slow 1:14" twist. Factory Remingtons in .35 Whelen used 1:16" & my re-bored Holland & Holland has a 1:12" twist.

I believe the 9.3x62's reputation came about both because it was an inexpensive option for African settlers, compared to Britain's offerings, plus the fact that it used a 285 grain bullet [S.D. .304], compared to the later domesticated loadings of 250 gr. [S.d. .279]. Also, until way past the '62's African glory days, the Whelen was nothing but a wildcat mostly unknown beyond the US.

Re: smaller head
Actually, the 9.3x62 has a larger case rim [0.470"], at least on correctly-manufactured brass, as well as a larger size case head [0.476"] than the Whelen [0.470"]. Shell-holders for the 9.3x62 require the use of the shell-holder for the 6.5x55 [larger than the 7.92x57IS &c.].
 
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They do have larger bodies, so hold more powder. I see zero reason to own a 57 unless you just have lots of 7.9x57 brass around. Or want to make them from 30-06. Swedish moose hunters though it was enough....
But since all the wars are using up the world's production capacity of nitrocellulose, we won't be shooting anything anyway. That is why I have so many flint lock rifles.
Which makes them annoying if you can't find brass, since if you make them from 30-06s, you get a bulged case. It was not developed by Mauser, is the reason it has an odd diameter case. It was a Bock thing. And for anyone but AR members, the 7.92x57 was not a Mauser development either.
 
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Thanks Oldgunnut and dpcd, I won't go to bed quite as ignorant tonight.

So, a wildcat on the 338WM would have much more powder space than the 9.3x64 and 66 and, given the slack shoulders in many belted magnums, more still after neck sizing Wink

By your figures, OGN, the 9.3x62 almost has a rebated rim. Miking my Winchester cases, however, I find the rims are only .465", with solid heads no bigger. My Zastava's chamber is a near your figure, though, because beyond that solid head the cases grow by 10 thou.

Bock, did you say, dpcd? Looking at the dimensions and lettering-crimped rims on Winchester's cases, I wonder if someone there was on more than Dunkelsbier.
 
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I think we have gotten far away from the original question!

Both the x57 and x62 are very good cartridges---just use them for their intended purposes and be happy!

A Chevy Nova will get you from point A to point B fine!

A Chevy Corvette will also but faster!

Who cares!

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I've been using 270 grain cast bullets in mine (gas check, flat nose). I used to hunt the thicker woods of northern WI where a 75 yard shot was long. Whitetails never went over 40 yards or so it hit properly and generally just dropped.
 
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It's the .308 vs 30-06 with fatter bullets argument.
 
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The problem here is most Americans load the 9,3x62 to 40,000 PSI or there abounts when Africans kick the ole girl out a 60,000 PSI just like any good Mauser will handle..All my loads are 55 to 60,000 on my 98s and mod 70s and Rem 7??s. Ive shot enough buffalo with the 9.3x62 to know its as good as a 375 H&H in the real world and defy anyone to say otherwse, its no 35 Whelen btw unless you think damn is a cuss word! old


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208-731-4120

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I have Husqvarna 146s on FN M98 actions, in original 9.3X57 as well as ones that have been lengthened to 9.3X62. On the rechambered guns, they will have scope bases, new low scope bolt handles and low scope safeties, usually Timney copies of the Dayton Traister replacement for the military wing safety. If you handload you can load the X57 almost as hot as factory x62. Recoil can be stiff with the original slim factory stock but for the few shots fired in hunting, the easy carrying makes it worth it.


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Norma makes 9.3X57 brass.

I fireform them for my 9.5X57 MS cartridge.

I used to own a 9.3X57 Hasqvarna in 98 Mauser. Horrible thin low comb stock used to beat my cheek black and blue.

Then I got my pre 1912 Simson with octagon to round barrel in 9.3X62.

Here in NZ the late Din Collings used to rechamber the old 9.3X57 rifles into X62.


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I got my Husky 9,3x57 back today punched out to 9.3x62. restocked it with a Browning stock and glassed bedded it. Installed a Timney trigger cut a new crown, scope will be a 3x leupold. filed in the irons an D&T, shoots an inch high at 100, close enough. Helped tame the recoil of the original stock somewhat but it still gets my attention loaded max.MY action is the later or newer 98 (VZ-24) that I prefer, as most are FN...Needs a new blue but its a hunter so probably wont get blued while in my casa. Its very accurate off the bench. Its elk ready, but so is my 35Whelen that kicks oh soooo much less??


Ray Atkinson
Atkinson Hunting Adventures
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208-731-4120

rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com
 
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my Husky is the ofton sought after VZ-24 a better action than the FN Im told. they came from Husqvarna before or after the FNs.Just rebore and shoot away, no action work needed


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Atkinson Hunting Adventures
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208-731-4120

rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com
 
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