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I normally clean my barrels with Hoppes Benchrest solvent , then dry the bore and oil with Transmission fluid because it leaves a thinner coating of oil that is easy to remove. If I forget to remove the oil with a clean patch the first few shots will leave what looks like heavy powder fouling but after five or six shots things get back to normal. H4831 will leave a bit of fouling with low pressure loads. | ||
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M1Tanker is right on with the CLP issue I think. I was in the Navy and our GM's swabbed the bores of the deck guns with it. Although there was evidence it's a good rust preventer I swab out the stuff before shooting simply based on what the big gun looked like after only firing a few rounds at a gun boat. It was dirtier than I could have imagined. If you don't have rusting problems I'd not put it in the bore at all unless it's going into storage. The other thing as mentioned is the ammonia salts being left behind from a copper removal session. The salts tend to stay behind and can be a little stubborn to remove. I'd high recommend swabbing a bore with solvent and a light oil after using a copper remover. I use Kroil as a final wipe after cleaning unless I'm expecting to go shooting again soon then I'll leave it basically dry. The Kroil is thin and passing a dry patch through after oiling is enough to get the excess but may leave a thin layer on the steel. Haven't had any problems doing it this way yet. Nate | |||
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Took my rifle to the range last night just to check zero from last season. Spent lots of time last year working up a load but have not shot this rifle since last deer season. Only took 5 shots to prove it is still right where it should be and shooting good. I knew I pulled two shots but the 3 good ones clover leafed at 100 yards. However when I got home to clean it I noticed a bunch of fouling in the middle of the bore. This fouling really took some soaking and brushing to get out. It almost looked like the bore had rusted and pitted it looked so bad but it was indeed powder fouling. I was shooting just as dusk was approaching and it did cool off and was very humid. my target actually was damp when I pulled it. Could this have caused that? In 12-13 years I never remember this rifle getting this way. The load is 73 grains of H4831SC under 180 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip. | |||
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Was it cleaned the last time you shot? Five rounds can foul a barrel, especially if you have a rough spot or two however. How about copper? | |||
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Quote: Yes it was cleaned very well. I never put a gun away dirty even if I only shoot one round. As for copper. Yes after I got the fouling out It also needed some Sweets to get the copper out. Some of the copper could have been from last year as I anly used Hoppes Bench Rest 9 untill this year in this rifle. Fouling had to be from these 5 rounds. I always use a bore light and never put a gun away that does not have a clean bore. | |||
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Did you leave any Sweets in the bore last time you cleaned it....Any amonia bases solvent must be dryed and oil profusely before storage. 4831 has nothing to do with fouling btw, that comes from the bullet and some bullets like monolithics just foul a bore and you didn't say what bullets you used...combine that with a rough barrel and they really foul..inasmuch as your gun only fouled in the center of the bore tells me you have some bore damage or roughness in that area, and perhaps since you clean a gun even after one shot, that you have damaged the gun cleaning it..over cleaning a bore is not a good thing, More bores have been ruined with a cleaning rod than by shooting... Fouling is a part of shooting and it just has to be cleaned out..I suggest you get a can of Wipe Out and follow the directions exactly and oil when finished... | |||
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Quote: Ray I did post that I was useing 180 grain Nosler Ballistic tips. I only use a coated rod and a bore guide and I doubt there is any damage to my bore. If there was my gunsmith would have said so when he rebuilt the rifle two years ago for me. Trust me the bore in this rifle is fine. Also no I did not leave ant sweets in the bore last year because as I said in the first post up untill this year the rifle was always cleaned with hoppes. However now that you mention Wipe Out. I just remembered I did use Wipe Out in the bore this spring when I got some and did all my rifles with it. As I recall I was impressed it only took one application to clean the bore. As much as that rifle had been shot I thought it would have more copper fouling than it did. Can you explain how powder fouling is caused by bullets? Even the maker of Wipeout explains different foulings build up. Powder, Carbon and Copper. If fouling is caused by bullets why are some powders known to be dirtier than others? | |||
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Did you do a cleaning before you started shooting? Did you run dry patches through the bore before you started shooting? Anything left in the bore over a period of time will start to gunk and jell. A thorough cleaning and a completely dry bore is required after storage. I doubt the H-4831 had anything to do with it. I have found it "best" in 60 different loadings and very "usable" in another 800 loadings. None of them showed any fouling problems. | |||
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