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I have never loaded a 45-70. Any tips would be appreciated. I live in Wyoming and plan to hunt with it in thicker cover, but I could expect a few longer shots-250 yards+. Any good loads would also be helpful. | ||
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I have a marlin in a blued version. Very good shooter with max loads of 4198, H322, re7. Recoil with max loads and even 300 grainers is pretty naughty. Take your pick and work up with a manual. RE shooting at 250 yds.....this gun is known as a pumpkin slinger and really isn't up to those kinds of yardages. Unless someone chimes in and says the new bullets from hornady with the tips are going somewhat flat.....then maybe. I did notice someone made a scope with ballistic reticle to match the 30-30 and 45-70 with the hornady bullets. The cross hatches must be pretty far apart. We hunt alot of brush here in Wisconsin and I thought I liked my 45-70 alot but it now sits in the gun safe and I take my compact 308 bar to the woods.....quicker firepower....and the range to do those 250 yds shots. | |||
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PS---45-70 is really ez to load for...brass rarely grows....just size, bell the case mouth with a 3 die set...seat the bullet and put a crimp on it. Remington brand 300 grain bullets are cheap and shoot real good in my gun. (1.25-1.5")/100 very easy to do. | |||
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The 300 grain Remington with max loads is pretty bad for recoil, but it's dead on at 100, and the bottom post of my duplex reticle is perfect at 200, I wouldn't be afraid to shoot to 250 holding over just a little more. At 200 I get 3 inch groups with the bottom post, plenty good for me. Love shooting precision and long range. Big bores too! Recent college grad, started a company called MK Machining where I'm developing a bullpup rifle chassis system.  | |||
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I have a 1895 Cowboy with a 26" barrel and have found two loads that seem to span the realm of performance. One is a 350g Lazercast over a reasonable helping of Varget for a velocity of about 1550+fps. This is a load that you can shoot a lot and have fun with as the recoil is not too bad. I would think that it would also be effective on some short range applications due to the trajectory. If your could figure out the trajectory it would be reasonable for almost all applications as this is not far from the original load used by buffalo hunters to take their animals up to astounding distances. The second one is a 405 Lazercast under a large helping of H322 that tips the chronograph at 1990fps and is very punishing in it's recoil. That load is about 150-175fps slower than a similiar 458Mag load for the same bullet and would be suitable for almost all critters on the earth. It would definitely be a "stopper" but you aren't excited about shooting 20 rounds of that load quickly. You might want to try these out with a Chronograph to approach those velocities if you shooter permits that to happen. The one at 1550fps is a good target range to approach as far as velocity which would lend itself to a comfortable load. My son and I were up on a ridge a few summers ago shooting at some rocks about 600 yards away with the first load and when shooting into the setting sun we could see the vapor trail of the bullet along it's path. When my son noticed that when I was shooting I thought he was joking but when I looked closely over his should when he shot I could see the same thing. Good luck and I think you will find that round will give you many smiles. | |||
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Marlin 1895 45-70 22" barrel 350 grain Northfork FN seated to 2.56" COAL and crimped with a Lee Factory Crimp Die Starline brass, 2.095" trim CCI 200 primer 47 grains H4198 START 51.5 grains H4198 MAXIMUM 2183 fps http://www.northforkbullets.com/ .45-70 350g North Fork @ 2183fps 174 yard zero, B.C. .232 Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs) Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500 2183/3703 1863/2697 1579/1936 1336/1386 1150/1028 1030/824 Trajectory (inches) Muzzle 100 yd 200 yd 250 yd 300 yd 400 yd 500 yd -1.5 3.0 -2.6 -10.3 -22.3 -61.8 -127.7 You learn something new everyday whether you want to or not. | |||
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[/QUOTE] RE shooting at 250 yds.....this gun is known as a pumpkin slinger and really isn't up ]to those kinds of yardages. .[/QUOTE] I just bought a used Marlin 45/70 gov 1895ss looks brand new not sure the age...anyway...I got some 405grainers took it to the gun range and was shooting the 8" metal targets at 200yards with iron sights. i was well surprised how well it shoots. I think i'll put an aim point on it. | |||
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When I said it was a "pumpkin slinger" I didn't mean the accuracy isn't there. What I did mean when I saw the original post that said "250 yards plus" is you better know the rainbow trajectory when trying to shoot at deer sized animals. Have some fun....get some of those cardboard life sized deer targets and sprinkle them out into the field at different yardages out to say 275 yds (which would qualify for 250+yards). When you can lob 9 out of 10 into the vitals with ANY SIGHTS I'd say you are ready to go.......not until. | |||
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Are these Published Loads? If not, how did you determine they are at a SAFE Pressure for Marlin Rifles? If these are non-published Loads, then that is the worst recommendation I've seen on the Board in 3-4 months. If these are published Loads it simply shows a total misunderstanding about how a chronograph should actually be used. | |||
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Dear Hot Cor Let me help you through this one as well. How do you determine they are at a safe pressure for Marlin Rifles? I hope you are familiar with the signs of increasing pressure as you work up loads for your rifles. If not there is a wealth of information on this board about doing so and for your safety as well as the safety of beginners on this board; I hope you follow them. High strain guage readings, hard extraction, blown primers, flatten primers, case head measurements will help you to become better reloader. I'm sure if you go back and read some of that information on high pressure signs and carefully reread your basic reloading manual, the one that came with your press, you'll do just fine. Published vs. non published?? I am confused, are we suppose to only use published loads? or just only use non-published?? If you are advocated the use of non-published loads only that is the worst recommendation I've seen on the Board in 5-6 months. What is the source for your "published loads"? The use of a chronograph is very helpful in this case. I use mine by locating the "on" button and pushing it firmly to activate the machine and then look at those numbers that appear on the screen. They tell me how fast the bullets are travellng in feet per second!!!! If I'm looking to achieve a certain velocity, well within my pressure guidelines of that rifle, if the velocity is higher than my target velocity I use less powder in my reloads. I think this show a total understanding about how a chronograph should actually be used. Hopefully I didn't go too fast and this posting will be helpful to you. Thanks for your comment. | |||
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Yes indeed, just as I suspected - not any idea at all what he is doing. For all the Beginners, his last post is a classic misunderstanding about how to judge Pressure in a Lever Action Rifle. Goes along well with his complete lack of understanding about properly using a chronograph. These are the posts that I really dislike seeing "on this Board". It has been made by someone who believes he has great Reloading knowledge, but is really at a total loss and worse yet, is handing out potentially harmful information. My recommendation to the Beginners is to be extremely careful with what you read and who you believe. ---- Just as I thought, his post I highlighted is the worst recommendation I've seen on the Board in 3-4 months. Pitiful. | |||
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Dear Pitiful, sorry your correct name is HOT CORE, I've got to stop during that!!!!!SORRY!!!! Just as I thought the worst recommendation I've seen on this board for 5-6 months. My recommendations to the Beginners is to be very careful of the post you read from Pitiful, opps sorry there it goes again, HOT CORE. There is a complete lack of understanding about the proper use of a chronograph in this post. I thought that I was clear and went slow enough but...... The "on" button should not be that hard to find, right?????? His posts are a total loss and worse yet is handing out no information. Beware!!! Do you have any information to share concerning the original question or just trolling??? Waiting to hear from you!!!!!! | |||
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I did a little reaserch here. The Hodgden web site lists a load with the 350 hornady Flatt point and 56 grains of H-4198 as giving 50,000 CUP. That of couurse is for a Ruger #1 But with that info I would certainly feel the starting load of 47 grains is safe, and working up to 51.5 is probably quite doable. personaly I use IMR-4198 47.2 grain under the hornady ,350FP. Iget right at 2000 and 1.10 at 100 yards. I recomend the Lee crimp die...tj3006 freedom1st | |||
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With a 405 grain cast I was able to shoot 47.5 grains H4198 with no pressure problems. BUT, they kick pretty bad. My boss wanted to shoot them through his chronograph, after 2 shots he flinched and shot the chrono. Love shooting precision and long range. Big bores too! Recent college grad, started a company called MK Machining where I'm developing a bullpup rifle chassis system. | |||
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I shoot 40.0 grains of RL7 with a 405 grain bullet that I cast. The RL7 does not seem to be case position sensitive, and gives a pretty good case fill. I get around 1600fps with this load-which is more than adequate, and not a real shoulder thumper. I would suggest the Lyman M die for belling your case. In my 1886 I crimp with a Redding taper crimp die. I prefer a taper crimp over a roll crimp. For my single shots I do not crimp. The 45-70(IMO) is the greatest cartridge ever designed. The cartridge can do it all. 250 yards is no problem if you know your gun. IMO the 45-70 is a rifleman's cartridge. If you shoot your rifle a lot and you really know your rifle, then there is nothing the cartridge can not do. If a person only shoots 3 or 4 shells a year, then this is the wrong cartridge for them. In other word's only shooter's need apply. If you cast your own bullet's then the 45-70 is a real cheappie to shoot. The brass will last a long time as long as you do not overwork it(Why I taper crimp, and use the M die). Tom.  WEST BY GOD VIRGINIA | |||
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Is your boss Hot Core? Looks like he wa demonstrating the proper use of a chronograph. | |||
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Thanks for being a total dick. Hot Core has done nothing but help me. Love shooting precision and long range. Big bores too! Recent college grad, started a company called MK Machining where I'm developing a bullpup rifle chassis system. | |||
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