29 December 2013, 05:53
Joe from So. Cal.30 caliber black tip
Years ago I bought a couple thousand of these that were "popped", a method of de-milling large amounts of obsolete ammo. I've shot a few and they work ok as plinking fodder.
They're a bit long when used in .308 cases because the core isn't quite as heavy as lead. I think they are 165 gr. but look more like a 180 or 200.
Anyway, I've heard they are harder on barrels than lead core bullets, while some people say they are fine.
Just wondering if anyone has any definitive information on whether or not they are hard on barrels?
29 December 2013, 06:10
craigsterI've dissected a couple. They are slightly magnetic, less so than some of the std 8x57 ball I've run across. The cupro nickel looked about the same as regular M-2 ball. I've shot quite a bit of it, hasn't seemed to hurt any thing.
29 December 2013, 22:36
butchlocyou have armor piercers. they have a hard tungsten carbide core surrounded by a lead jacket surrounded by a cupro nickel jacket. 165 gr. usually the most accurate military bullet.caution should be exercised in that there is a cup at the rear of the bullet which has been known to fly backwards on impact on hard materials flying backwards into the shooters face
29 December 2013, 23:13
Joe from So. Cal.quote:
Originally posted by craigster:
I've dissected a couple. They are slightly magnetic, less so than some of the std 8x57 ball I've run across. The cupro nickel looked about the same as regular M-2 ball. I've shot quite a bit of it, hasn't seemed to hurt any thing.
Thanks for your reply.
quote:
Originally posted by butchloc:
you have armor piercers. they have a hard tungsten carbide core surrounded by a lead jacket surrounded by a cupro nickel jacket.
A friend of mine is a machinest and actually sectioned one for me. He said the normal cutting tool just skated on it and he had to use a diamond cutter.
It seems that some people think that because the core is so hard that it translates into a harder overall bullet. I'm not sure if cupro-nickel is harder than pure copper, if these things are harder on barrels etc.
And fwiw, I've punched through some 1" plate with these. I'm sitting pretty far back from the targets.
30 December 2013, 00:20
dpcdAP; the core is steel; they did not waste valuable Tungsten to shoot away; it is too scarce and valuable for tools during wartime. Just some very hard steel Jackets are cupro nickel, as are most US ammo jackets. None are pure copper. Yes, they will punch through a lot of steel plate; good to be far away as the jacket can come back.
30 December 2013, 09:22
DivernhunterThe AP bullets are not hard on barrels. This is because the hard steel core has lead around it which gives in the rifling under the jacket.
30 December 2013, 22:08
RapidrobYou will not shoot out your barrel using these bullets as you will not be shooting all the thousands at the same time.
I have used these projectiles in matches for years as the core is lathe turned and the jacket swagged onto the AP core. They are very accurate.
163 grain is normal.
31 December 2013, 01:38
drewhenrytntquote:
Originally posted by Joe from So. Cal.:
Years ago I bought a couple thousand of these that were "popped", a method of de-milling large amounts of obsolete ammo. I've shot a few and they work ok as plinking fodder.
They're a bit long when used in .308 cases because the core isn't quite as heavy as lead. I think they are 165 gr. but look more like a 180 or 200.
Anyway, I've heard they are harder on barrels than lead core bullets, while some people say they are fine.
Just wondering if anyone has any definitive information on whether or not they are hard on barrels?
I have a simple solution to be certain no damage is done to your barrels.
I'll pay the shipping and insurance for you to send them to me for proper disposal.
