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I would like to make up some blanks for shooting in a 357 Magnum revolver. They should be as loud as factory 357 loads, give no impact signature downrange (e.g. no wads kicking up dirt, and the extracted cases should look like normal cases.

It would also be a bonus if the blanks made the gun recoil similarly to factory ammo, but I know thats asking a lot if there's no projectile.

Does anyone here know how to make blanks?

Are 357 or 38 Spl. blanks in the noise range I want commercially available?

H. C.

 
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We've tried making blanks with just about everything including black powder.

If you don't have the back pressure, you don't get the "bang." Without researching the subject, I suspect that commercially available blank ammo is using some sort of proprietary explosive, and NOT a progressivly burning propellant.

Newton advises that you can't get recoil without pushing a projectile. That's basic physics.

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We've tried making blanks with just about everything including black powder.

If you don't have the back pressure, you don't get the "bang." Without researching the subject, I suspect that commercially available blank ammo is using some sort of proprietary explosive, and NOT a progressivly burning propellant.

Newton advises that you can't get recoil without pushing a projectile. That's basic physics.



Thanks Genghis,

I dont want to blow any of my guns up with exotic propellants.

Did you ever read Unintended Consequences? The main character uses (at one point) a 44 Magnum load in which he shoots machined pieces of either Delrin or Nylon bar stock (I forget which). He pushes them with a heavy load of Bulleye, if I'm not mistaken. I don't know whether this load is a figment of John Ross's imagination or something he knows of specifically. Anyone out there ever shot something like this? A light projectile that slows down enough that it doesn't kick up dirt at 80-100 yards could do the trick for me (very elaborate April Fools thing I'm working on).

H. C.

 
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Let's get one thing straight, maybe two!

First of all, there is no such thing as an April Fool's joke when it comes to firearms!

Secondly, anything that comes out the business end of a barrel is potentially lethal!


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Originally posted by ricciardelli:
Let's get one thing straight, maybe two!

First of all, there is no such thing as an April Fool's joke when it comes to firearms!

Secondly, anything that comes out the business end of a barrel is potentially lethal!



And that includes the powder gas itself.
It seems tha every couple of years some actor takes them-self (or a co-star) out by playing with a blank load.

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Originally posted by ricciardelli:
Let's get one thing straight, maybe two!

First of all, there is no such thing as an April Fool's joke when it comes to firearms!

Secondly, anything that comes out the business end of a barrel is potentially lethal!



Don't worry. Everything will be executed in strict accordance with firearms safety. The gun will most certainly not be pointed at anyone or anything other than an appropriate target on our pistol range. It is simply important that the gun make a loud noise and that no projectile visibly strike anything downrange. I will be firing the gun myself. To explain it any further would spoil the surprise.

H. C.

 
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And that includes the powder gas itself.
It seems tha every couple of years some actor takes them-self (or a co-star) out by playing with a blank load.

Yup, pushed a little piece of skull right through his brain if I remember correctly.

What I'm planning to do is as innocuous as firing a starter pistol over our pistol range. With noone on the range, because people are firing guns over it. The joke is mostly in the explanation of what happens. I will post after the plan is hatched. I am sure you will approve.

H. C.

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Suggest you e-mail the Alliant Powder Co. (the makers of Bullseye) and ask for their instructions on the proper construction of this blank cartridge.

By now, based on the many warnings above, you are aware that any blank cartridge potentially is lethal and that exactly the same safety precautions MUST be followed with blanks as when bulleted ammo is used.

Incidently, commercial blanks are loaded with special powders with burning rates faster than Bullseye, if smokeless. Otherwise, some still are loaded with black powder, and some of the smallest --such as .22 rimfire and the European 6mm sizes-- are loaded with extra-heavy charges of priming compounds.

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I'll contact Alliant about that. In the mean time, I think I have an acceptable solution.

If I remember correctly, CCI makes little shot capsules as reloading components (worse come to worst, they make loaded 357 shotshells, but I'd rather eject brass than aluminum so as not to arouse suspicion).

The nice thing about shot capsules is there will be 1) noise and 2) plausible recoil. Since the gun will be fired level with the ground, the downrange impact of tiny little pellets might escape my victims' notice.

I hope you all can rest assured I'm not going to shoot one of these at anyone, including my own self.

As I said, the blanks are part of a larger elaborate plan. It may be near next April before it comes together.

H. C.

 
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P. S.

Thanks for the suggestions and warnings.

P. P. S.

The joke does not involve the use of fake blood.

H. C.

 
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Follow the directions in the Speer shot capsule box, use Unique and earplugs, plus the smallest shot you can buy --and common sense, remembering to think for everyone else involved.
 
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