anybody use Reloader 22 with 165 hornady BT in a 30-06 or is it to slow. looking for accuracy,tried 4350 and wasnt impressed.

try h-4895 it is very accurate in all my 30-06s with any brand `165 i put threw them.its no speed demon but man they were made for each other.

the 4350s is not a bad powder for the 165. i cannot get the hornady bullet to group either. have you tried speer or sierra? they worked best for me. if you want a slow powder i think RL-22 is a to much compressed load for me, RL-19 or IMR4831 would be the slowest i would use. or go a little faster with 414 or 760.

thanks guys,maybe I will try a different bullet. I have some H414,maybe I will try it before I give up on the hornadys.

I agree with vines.

Any one of the various 4831s should work very well and they'd be as slow burning as practical. I've had excellent accuracy with IMR4831 but with 100% case full, and fully compressed, velocity is down somewhat from a faster powder.

I'll take the accuracy over the small velocity loss any day.

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Originally posted by Doctor D:

I'll take the accuracy over the small velocity loss any day.

Me too, so my suggestion is IMR4064.

Had excellent luck with H414 with 165 and 180 grain bullets. My rifle did not like the Imr 4350 or 4895. Esox357.

I'm using VV N 160 powder in my .30-06 and my Sauer 202 shoots both 165 and 180 grainers around .5 MOA.

BTW, I briefly tried a H4350 leftover I had on hand with similar results.

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Originally posted by lenny:
anybody use Reloader 22 with 165 hornady BT in a 30-06 or is it to slow. looking for accuracy,tried 4350 and wasnt impressed.

I use IMR4064

I've used IMR-4895, IMR-4350, H4831, and H414 with the 165 BT for many years. Best results came from the 4350 and 4895 loads. Once you get that bullet moving, it can be exceedingly destructive on small Texas deer.

LLS

I'll share this recipe with you it has worked well for me and other 06 owners ...
Sierra 165 gr SPBT.
IMR4895 at 45 grains.
any LR primer ...

I made a lot of nonbelievers, believers after shooting this load thru their 06's...BB34

I have an old 30-06 with a very worn barrel (pitted, a 180gr falls out of case before getting near the throat etc)

I load 64gr of RL22 (over max load) using Norma neck sized cases, a long drop tube with COL about 3.3". Using federal magnum primers (a very hot primer indeed!) I get 2,800fps and no pressure signs. Accuracy is ragged hole.

Everything else is much much slower and less accurate

RL22 is noted by Nosler as giving the highest velocity with 165gr bullets in the 06. It certainly works for me.

My experience of this bullet on our little roe deer was that it kills them but does not make a mess of them.

A full case of RL-22 may very well give you excellent performance with a 165 gr BTip. Remember, however, that RL-22 is famous for fairly wide variations in burning rates from lot to lot. If you plan to use it, have enough of a single lot on hand to last you for quite a while. When you change lots, you may very will find your load performance varies from the original.

lenny,

I've never had any luck with a Hornady bullets in .30/06 Sprg. other than their 180 gr. RN's and they will plunck 'em into one ragged hole with 55.0 grs. of H-4350 all day long.

The Nosler (BT's, AB's or Partitions) or any Sierra GK's in 165 has afforded me great accuracy with 56.0 - 57.5 grs. of H-4350 every day depending on which rifle I'm shooting.

Like Dr. D, found H or IMR-4831 a touch on the slow side but super accurate with 165 gr. bullets, too.

Due to issues in obtaining US powders here in Europe; like André, have been using VVN160 and it is a very good powder with 165 gr. bullets in .30/06 Sprg.

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Originally posted by Gerry:
lenny,

The Nosler (BT's, AB's or Partitions) or any Sierra GK's in 165 has afforded me great accuracy with 56.0 - 57.5 grs. of H-4350 every day depending on which rifle I'm shooting.

I've also had excellent results using 165 grain bullets and 57.0 grains of H-4350 or IMR-4350! This is a perfect combination for the grand old 30-06 Spfd.

H-414, Win 760, IMR-4350, H-4350, IMR-4831, H-4831, H-4895, and Rl-19 are all good performers in the .30-06 with 165s

My personal favorite is H-414 and H-4350....take it from there.

I use the same 64 grains of RL22 as 1894MK2 but with a 165 grain Partition. In my rifle it produces the same 2800 FPS as he reports with very good accuracy. It kills elk dead enough to eat.
Regards, Keith

Ditto on the H-414 with a 165. You might also want to look at varget if 414 does not work out for you.

I load 58.5grs IMR-4350 with the 165gr Hornady BTSP and it is very accurate. Muzzle velocity is 2850fps.

I load 165 grain SPBT bullets for my old 03A3 and even with its very long throat I get very good accuracy using H414. It is close to 97% of listed maximum in the Speer manual and I seat them to the length listed in the load data. I use Speer bullets so I use their data. I have cases that I have loaded well over 20 times with no sign of failure. All of this with 1/2 MOA groups as the norm. On a good day I can put them under a dime.

RL22 works well in the 30-06 provided you can squeeze enough of it in.

The normal "working up" loads does NOT apply to RL22 in the 30-06 with the 165gr bullets.

The slower RL propellants don't completely obey the rules that you are familiar with normal stick propellants
which except for the RL propellants are "single base".

It also requires a HOT primer to get it going.

I find that ina 30-06 with a "tight chamber" RL22 works poorly particularly with FL sized brass.

In a 30-06 with a loose chamber and neck sized brass
squeezing every bit you can inside can be quite rewarding.

In eny event if a proposed load of RL22 in a 30-06 case doesn't result in a compressed load STOP, because it
probably isn't going to work.

I've also found that minimizing bullet jump and allowing presure to build can really make RL22 shine.

My personal pet theory is that unless you intentionally work towards generating pressure early in the pressure cycle the RL22 will burn incompletely and will simply form a HUGE muzzle flash when it hits the air.

Seating the bullet further out, using a crimp or simply worrying a few 1/10grain more into those cases will reduce the muzzle flash and increase both accuracy and velocity.

If RL22 is working "correctly" the flash is greatly reduced.

Some rifles can be made to work well with RL22 some cannot.

And I am mystified by Nosler's lack of loading data for the 30-06AI with RL22. the 30-06 AI seems to be IDEAL for getting "enough" RL22 inside the case so it'll work.

I suspect nosler saw "erratic" results with lighter loads and didn't proceed further

Compress compress compress

I like H4895 or H4831 with 165s in the 06.

Good Luck

Reloader

Loading 165 grain bullets I had my best success (both accuracy and velocity) using W760.