I am getting a new one soon.

The one that comes to mind is the Ohaus 1650-00 dialogram triple beam system. The dialogram comes from their replacing the third balance beam, the one that measures the single digit and tenths of a grains with a dial.

Any body have any experience with one? I have a 1000 yard rifle in process.

thanks,

Rich

I used one for a while that measured in grams. the conversion was a pain, very accurate
Dave

The resolution of this scale is 0.1 grams which is about 1.5 grains, not nearly fine enough resolution for reloading not to mention the conversion between grams and grains is a major nuisance and potential danger if you make a mistake. I reloaded for a few days with a gram scale and sent it back to the manufacturer to have it programmed to read grains. I would not use a balance beam scale again after using an electronic scale.

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the one that measures the single digit and tenths of a grains with a dial.

I'm like the others. I thought it measures to a .1 of a gram.

.1g= 1.543236gr

Not what you are looking for to load a 1000yd rifle I wouldn't think.

I have an RCBS 304 that is an Ohaus make. I bought it thirty years ago. It is still superb. Double beam with a dial to dial in tenths of a grain. Grains...not grammes. If your scal is like this they are top class. Lots are pictured on the internet.

Get yourself a USA made RCBS 10-10. It is now discontinued, but you can still find them on the used market. My is still accurate after 20+ years.

What does a "1000 yard rifle" have to do with a new scale? Unless, of course, the one you are presently using has gone TU.

I use a Chargemaster but check about every 5-10 loads on my RCBS 10-10 scales. Have always concurred to date.

Cheers,

Chris

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Originally posted by enfieldspares:
I have an RCBS 304 that is an Ohaus make. I bought it thirty years ago. It is still superb. Double beam with a dial to dial in tenths of a grain. Grains...not grammes. If your scal is like this they are top class. Lots are pictured on the internet.

I have an (Ohaus) RCBS 304 too. It does weigh in grains, and it is wonderful. I think I bought mine about 30 years ago, too. I don't think they were on the market all that long.

I used the Ohaus 505 for about 10 years. Before that I used the very basic Lee plastic beam scale that came with their Anniversary kit. Both were very accurate but slow.

I then got this digital scale for about $30 and it also has options for grains. Not always 0.1 gr accurate but still very good. A lot faster & easier to use.

Usual checks are required to make sure it is calibrated.

Craigster,

because I use an electronic scale, and often throw charges with my old Belding & Mull powder measure. It was made the same year as my OM 70 Target model.

Many years ago, while I was writing for Precision Shooting Magazine I found this really neat case, the 6,5 x 68 Shuler. I developed a wildcat by blowing most of the taper out, and necking it to 25 caliber. It was called the 257 Banshee.

Part of a project to challenge the 6PPC, as well, with a 25 BR.

Jerry Simonson made me two sets of bullet swaging dies, for a 70gr flat base for BR, and a 110gr VLD for long range live varmint shooting.

The fireformed Banshee cases held about 100gr of powder, and RVO-62 powder was perfect. The rifle was a 17 pound sleeved single shot Remington 700 with a 30" barrel. I could get just over 4000fps with a bullet that Berger now offers. Spent a summer with a pair of Leica Geovids and a portable bench rest.

Those were part of a package that included a Premier Reticle boosted 6.5-20 Leupold Scope (to 18-42X) with dots 3, 6, and 9 moa above the crosshair junction, and 3,6,9, and 12 moa low with windage lines 5moa left and right. The dots also doubled as a primitive rangefinder being 3moa apart. Rockchucks are about 9" tall, so you can range them with the dots.

I have been at this long range shooting game nearly forty years now.

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Originally posted by ca_reloader:
Get yourself a USA made RCBS 10-10. It is now discontinued, but you can still find them on the used market. My is still accurate after 20+ years.

+1

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Originally posted by nhoro:

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Originally posted by ca_reloader:
Get yourself a USA made RCBS 10-10. It is now discontinued, but you can still find them on the used market. My is still accurate after 20+ years.

+1

+2 my 10-10 is spectacular! Another good one to find is the Redding oil dampened scale. Both are accurate and will move if you put a kernel or two on them.

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Originally posted by .366torque:

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Originally posted by nhoro:

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Originally posted by ca_reloader:
Get yourself a USA made RCBS 10-10. It is now discontinued, but you can still find them on the used market. My is still accurate after 20+ years.

+1

+2 my 10-10 is spectacular! Another good one to find is the Redding oil dampened scale. Both are accurate and will move if you put a kernel or two on them.

My first scale was an oil dampened Redding, accurate but painfully slow in use. I replaced it with a RCBS 10-10 in the mid 70s and have used it ever since, no telling how many pounds of powder it's weighed.

thousand yard shooter and benchresters don't use scales they use a spoon!! Some these days use a shovel!! Only drug dealers use that expensive scale,

I on the other hand use an old curmudgeon early 10-10 and a powder measure thats too old to identify but its as accurate my scale, and I weigh a charge with it about every two weeks..

actually Ray, some of us use an ice cream scoop!

In my opinion/experience my 40 dollar hornady digital scale is more accurate than my 2 beam scales.

I have been using the same Ohaus 505 for over 40 years.

Is it dead on the money on say a charge of 50 or 125 grains etc. Don't know. But I bet it is damn close and more important it is exactly the same as the charge before and after.

And yes I do still weigh ever charge for everything but pistol loads.

I am beginning to think it's a crap shoot.

That said, I would like a good balance beam to double check my electronic scale.

If all you are doing is double checking your scale then
buy a set of calibrated check weights

+1, that is how I know my 10-10 is accurate.

I'm getting back into 1000yd live varmint shooting. 1/10th of a grain can cause 3" or a bit more vertical stringing. That would pretty much result in missing a lot of Rockchucks; which are about 5" wide and 10"-12" tall.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I'm getting back into 1000yd live varmint shooting. 1/10th of a grain can cause 3" or a bit more vertical stringing. That would pretty much result in missing a lot of Rockchucks; which are about 5" wide and 10"-12" tall.

Rich,

You're lucky to have rockchucks to shoot. Here in Central Oregon they all live in town. Haven't had a place to shoot them for many years.

We used to shoot a lot of ground squirrels but the hunting rights on most of the good spots have been bought up and I just don't like to pay to rid a rancher of a pest.

Hope you get lots of chucks.

In my competition shooting days, I used to develop a load by starting below what I thought would be good one and loading a series of 20 cartridges with each powder charge .2 grain heavier than the previous one.

I found that the bullet holes would begin to form a vertical string on the target, but at some point the point of impact would stop climbing and the bullet holes would form a cluster, despite the fact that there was as much as 1.6 grains difference in the load. I would choose a load from right in the middle of that group and not sweat weighing the individual loads.

I, too, have been using a Belding & Mull powder measure for almost 60 years now, and once I had mastered a uniform procedure in using it, I found that it gave phenomenal results. I use my scales, and I have the older model Ohaus mentioned above, as well as the 10-10 and most recently an electronic scale, but I use it primarily to set my powder measure and occasionally to check it in the course of a loading session.

For mass production of ammunition, like the loading sessions I used to have to keep my match rifles fed, I use a Redding or an RCBS powder measure, the Redding if I need a long drop tube. I have two old Lyman measures set up on my turret press for loading handgun ammunition. They dispense the tiny loads of Bullseye very accurately.

I finally figured out my old Lyman D700 scale was off a couple tenths on the small poise.
I contacted Scott Parker and bought a balanced and tuned Lyman D5 scale (Ohaus 505) It is a much nicer scale than the old D700 and is very accurate and it is consistent.

Scott tunes scales and refurbishes scales.

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Many years ago, while I was writing for Precision Shooting Magazine I found this really neat case, the 6,5 x 68 Shuler. I developed a wildcat by blowing most of the taper out, and necking it to 25 caliber. It was called the 257 Banshee.

I did a search on the archives of Precision Shooting Magazine. I couldn't find your article. Do you have a copy that you can scan?

About the Banshee:

http://www.predatormastersforu...owflat&Number=886813

I'm sure Rich will be happy to tell you more.

I bought a 505 and a new RCBS Junior while in high school way back in 1970. I went to a 10-10 about 20 years ago -- and a Rockchucker -- and have not looked back.

I've got two Redding beam balances. The idea was to have one for a back up. I got them in 1957 and never had to use but one and it is still in use. Kept the knife edge sharp and the " nest " clean and dry. Store the knife edge out of the nest roger

I had a dial-a-gram years ago that never held zero very well. As Suwannee Tim pointed out, the measurements are a bit coarse.

I have an inexpensive Hornady with magnetic dampening and a Redding without. Big difference, I never use the Redding.