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OK, it's time to start my second year as a reloader. The first year I spent trying to make small groups for my rifles, not a very difficult goal to reach.

This year (and from now on?) I will focus upon developing loads that have the same POI, or at least they should be horizontally aligned. I have high requirements on terminal performance but the groups themselves only need to be "quite good".

I reload for .308WIn, .222Rem and 7x57R.

This is where I need some help. I will *try* to get loads that are usable without changing the scope:
1) A low-velocity FMJ roundnose
2) A high-velocity FMJBT for longer distances
3) A low-velocity, but heavy, SP
4) A high-velocity light/mediumweight SP for longer distances
5) A cheap low-recoil practice load (for .308Win)
6) A mean and evil varmint load. [Mad]

I�ll have no problems with the POI�s not being perfectly aligned horizontally, but hopefully the speedier loads for long distances will have a highet POI at, let's say, 100 meters.

So, here�s my questions:

a) Any suggestions on methodology?
b) How do I fix horizontal problems?

Regards,
/HerrBerg

[ 02-17-2003, 16:58: Message edited by: HerrBerg ]
 
Posts: 1723 | Location: Stockholm, Sweden | Registered: 18 March 2002Reply With Quote
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There is one proven but time-consuming method called "trial and error"...

I played around a lot with my 30/06, 6,5x57R and the .222 Rem. It seems that for the bigger calibers the change of bullet weight gives very high differences in POI. A good compromise were finallz the Nosler bullets where the Ballistic Tips can be used for target practice and the Partition in the same weight for game. Usually the difference between the two in the same weight class is only one or two centimeters and still this can be reduced with a different powder load.

With the .222, I use 50 grain bullets with a reduce load for target shooting like runnig boar and 55 grain for hunting. If you load over a bigger range of powder volume, most probaby you can find the same or at least similar POIs. As I said, you have to try and play around, every barrel is different.

Good luck, DUK
 
Posts: 8211 | Location: Germany | Registered: 22 August 2002Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by HerrBerg:
I have high requirements on terminal performance but the groups themselves only need to be "quite good".

a) Any suggestions on methodology?
b) How do I fix horizontal problems?

Hey Herrburg, I agree with your thoughts on high terminal performance. No need to give up the good groups to achieve your goal though.

There is a "real easy" way to have both of those requirements met and be able to shoot multiple Loads to the same Point of Impact(at one distance). The simple trick is to select your primary(most used) Load in a rifle, then "Zero" the scope indicator rings found under the turret caps. And write "0-R, 0-U" in your notes for that Load indicating Zero-Right and Zero-Up. And lets say you do it to impact dead-on at 300yds.

Now you go to Load #2 and Develop it to achieve the best possible Terminal Performance and best possible Accuracy(obviously using the non-Rookieized Creighton Audette Method). Then crank the scope for this Load to be dead-on at 300yds(or wherever you want it) and record the new scope setting in your notes. Lets say it is "1.5-R, 2.0-D". Now you can shift back and forth between the two Loads with a minor change to the scope settings.

I have this done for a Deer Hunting Load in a 243Win and a 75gr Varmint Load. I even have them set-up for two different points of impact.

When I change settings, I normally "go past" the point I want to stop by 1-2 clicks and then back up to what I actually want. This may be totally unnecessary with todays scopes, but old habits are hard to avoid.

Best of luck to you.
 
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I do this with my 338WM. My heavy loads hit center at 100 yards, my A frames and X bullets hit at 2-2.5", and my 200gr rounds about 2.5" high. It can be a bitch to get them were you want, but I like you, like the idea of just loading the round and shooting. Usually I load up 1 each of a powder weight for a given bullet up to a max charge for that round. Example- 200gr load with one each of 70gr, 71gr, 72gr, 72.5gr, ex. Then I shoot them at the 100 yard target noteing whoes hole is whoes. If the round that lands were I want it to is OK in velocity, Bingo. Right now I have loads in 200gr (x 2), 217gr, 225gr, 250gr, and 275gr in one rifle and never touched the scope.
 
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Trial and error but some things can make it easier.

Stiffer barrels generaly do this more easily and minimising the differences between powder and bullet shape/weight is a big help.

Remember coincidence may only be at the range you test at.
 
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