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| <Daryl Elder> |
According to Cartridges of the World, the 8x50Rmm Lebel was the first smokeless powder(small bore) military cartridge developed by any world power circa 1886.  | ||
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| one of us |
The Lebel is a French Military round--it was the first commercial rifle round to use smokeless powder (ca.1880s). It is also called 8x50R; however, there is also an 8x50R Siamese and an 8x50R Austrian (for the Mannlicher straight-pull rifle). the_captn | |||
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| one of us |
Dan,you asked the $12 question! 8mm Lebel was invented by the French in 1886 it was the first of the (relatively) small bore military cartridges which would be chambered in repeating rifles. First it was chambered in the Mdle 1886 Lebel rifle,a bolt action with a tubular magazine. It was chambered in a score of other rifles and machine guns until it was discontinued in 1934 I believe. On a side note, Balle D was a popularmachine gun round which used a solid bronze bullet... ------------------ | |||
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| <leo> |
I'm looking at a magazine article about the 30-30 and it shows a picture of the 8x50mm Lebel between the 7x57 and 30-30 in comparing these old early smokless rounds. The Lebel is a rather fat rimmed cartridge that has curved case walls. Distance from rim to shoulder is slightly more than that for the 30-30 but case capacity has to be alot more due to it's girth. | ||
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| one of us |
Make cases from .348 Win. Trim a little long, full length size, ream or turn neck, fireform, finish trimming. Headspace on shoulder(s). I believe the double taper body was to facilitate case feeding. Most reamers need fired cases to work properly. The second trim is needed because the cases shrink upon fireforming. Cheers from darkest California, Ross | |||
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I found 45/70 has a closer rim to 8 lebel than 348. just a serious pain to form from 45/70. ------------------ | |||
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| <TimB99> |
danev2, >>>And.. Speaking of 7.62x54R... Saaed why don't you have and loads for 54r posted?<<< I agree. I'd love to see data posted for this cartridge, especially with 150 grain bullets and Varget! Tim | ||
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| <danev2> |
Well thanks guys for the info. The old lebel round is tarnished and has a big dent in the case but it is on my deipla shelf with some of the other unusual ammo and stuff I have collected over the years Oh, and I will also repeat my call to Saaed & Co. to put together some loads for the 7.62x54r. I'm sure you could find a decent M-N 91/30 to try out. | ||
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| <Don Martin29> |
That 8mm Lebel is really a landmark cartridge. If anyone but the French had developed it the Germans would have been concerned. It had a boat tail bullet and smokeless powder. I wonder why the nostalgia bunch does not glom onto this one? It came out in 1886 and made the 45-70 a joke. | ||
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quote: Don, It probably has something to do with the crappy rifles that are chambered for it. Let's just say building rifles is not one of Frances strong points. ------------------ | |||
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| <Herb D> |
Ah yes. . . Miss Lebel. . .She was my first love. Supposedly she serviced the French Foreign Legion. Miss Carcano was the second. Either could be had for $6.95 back in the late fifties - a couple of real beauties. With those two as a start, the quality of my gun collection could only go one way - up. Coincidentally I cleaned out an old box yesterday and, as you already guessed, I found the empty brass from my first sweetheart. Fond memories! Herb D P.S. In the more than 2 years of watching this site I don't ever recall anyone discussing the lowly 8mm Lebel. Thus this is probably a first. Anyone for a wild cat based on the Lebel? That certainly would be unique! | ||
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