Hey folks, A recent thread contained a suggestion that has the potential to be extremely dangerous to the Beginning Reloaders. The response showed me that there are still people on this Board who "claim" to have vast Reloading knowledge, but really don't know beans. This particular suggestion is so bad that it deserves to be pointed out to those of you who missed the original post:

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Originally posted by denton:
...how to safely remove primers: Get a piece of rod, long enough to reach the primer pocket, and grind one end of it down small enough to fit through the primer pocket. I used a long style allen wrench for mine. Put the case on something that can serve as an anvil, and that has a hole big enough to let the primer drop out. Insert the rod through the primer hole. DO NOT HOLD THE ROD WITH YOUR FINGERS!! Use pliers, or something that gets your fingers safely out of the way. Whack the rod with a small mallet or hammer. If the worst does happen, you may be picking your rod out of the ceiling, but that's about all....

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Absolutely PITIFUL!!!

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My second one comes from quite a few years ago concerning a poaster on the old "Shooters Board". This guy had purchased an Oehler M43 when they first came out and was providing what we all thought was good solid data concerning Loads in his rifle.

As time went on he kept increasing the Loads to the point where he was listing Loads that he claimed the M43 said were right at 100kpsi and "implied" they were SAFE.

When questioned about it, he flared up and basically said anyone who Reloads should know not to try those same Loads in "their rifles", as if "only he" had some kind of Super-Duper rifle that would not be hurt by them.

Again, absolutely PITIFUL!!!

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Are you aware of any "DANGEROUS" recommendations you have seen posted here or on other Boards?

Anything you post along these lines will help the Beginners understand that some information provided out here by people who really don't understand Reloading can actually get them hurt.

There was talk on another forum not too long ago about a fellow who wanted to try seating a .30cal spitzer bullet backwards in the case in order to improve the meplat of the bullet. Never heard how this one worked out.....

I once pointed out that a double charge of smokeless powder in a shotshell could burst the gun and cause serious injury to the shooter.
The poster went ballistic saying that the powder was too much to burn and it would just be blown out the barrel.
I then emailed people at Hodgdons and at Hornady because this guy was using a Hornady 366 press and Hodgdon powder and both companies (essentially) said the guy was full of shit.
The original poster than accused me of posting under several different names!!!

What a DUNCE.....

Why yes. I have a whole list of very bad advice, posted on this board, that could easily lead beginners astray. Thanks for inviting me to share.

1. Standard list of Hot Core fabrications, unsupported by any known facts or credible references, all posted on this board by Hot Core, for everyone to see---
1.1. Mounting a strain gage on a rifle will spoil the accuracy.
1.2. You need a CMM to measure the ID and OD of a chamber.
1.3. Mounting a strain gage will cause your rifle to rust.
1.4. Strain gage systems cannot be calibrated, and the results are just a guess.
1.5. PRE is completely repeatable and reliable.
1.6. PRE is calibrated.
1.7. Claims to have 20 years of experience with strain gages.
1.8. Claims that strain gages don’t work outside a laboratory.
1.9 Quotes Ken Waters, the “father†of PRE to support his claims, when, in fact, Waters contradicts Hot Core.
1.10 Claims that a laptop computer and a $200 PressureTrace unit cost $3,750.
1.11 Claims that it takes about an hour to plug the PressureTrace into the computer, connect to the strain gage, and boot the computer.
1.12 Claims that measuring chamber dimensions with a dial caliper is just a guess at the dimensions.
1.13 Claims that the one and only way to calibrate anything is by direct comparison with a known artifact in the same units of measure. Can't explain how you calibrate an automobile speedometer using this method.
1.14 Claims that he is an EE, when, in fact, he is not.

2. Standard list of Hot Core self-contradictions—
2.1. Claims that you can use factory ammunition as a maximum pressure reference. Also claims that you cannot.
2.2. Claims that you need SAAMI standard ammunition to calibrate a strain gage, but that you don’t need it to calibrate PRE.
2.3. Claims that you cannot use chamber dimensions to calibrate a strain gage, but that you can use brass dimensions to calibrate PRE.
2.4. Claims that he gets four significant digits measuring brass with a micrometer, but the rest of us can’t get three when measuring a chamber.
2.5 Claims to be an EE, but can’t answer simple questions about analog electronic circuits.
2.6 Claims that PRE is calibrated, and accurate. Also claims that it is not, and that knowing actual pressure is irrelevant.
2.7 Falsely claims that the strain gage system is calibrated by repetitive firing of ammunition with an unknown pressure, failing to note that he proposed exactly this system for calibrating PRE.

3. Hot Core logical fallacies/half truths--
3.1 Hot Core can teach anyone to use a micrometer in five minutes, and it is a precise instrument. Since it is a precision instrument, and easy to use, it follows that the dimensions of a brass casing accurately and precisely reflect the pressure of a load.
3.2 Refuses/fails to provide any credible references or experimental data to support his assertions.
3.3 Argues that it is impossible to get adequately accurate chamber dimensions, because they involve a “double ogiveâ€. Obviously does not know where strain gages are actually applied, on the outside of the chamber over the middle of the cartridge case, and that the only chamber measurements needed are a single ID and OD.

Hot Core and Denton, You guys should be married..... .......DJ

Denton, all that and you still won't admit that hammering on a primer with a pin stuck through a flash hole isn't a safe way to deprime live primers?

What do issues with strain gauges have to do with hammering a primer out of case? One is theory the other is practical and depending how you do it, can be very dangerous.

I didn't read the thread but such advice sure can get folks in trouble.

If I am wrong, I will always bear correction.

As far as I can tell, if the primer does go off, you'll get a flash of burning material through the neck of the casing. That could be painful if your fingers are in the way, but you avoid that by holding the pin with pliers. The primer is most likely going to stay in the pocket, but if it does come out, the hole in the anvil is to contain it, and direct it away from you.

I admit to having used my decapping die for removing life primers on several occasions. It worked, they even can be reused (see how tacky I am?) I did put on safety goggles, though, like always whe handling primers.

Yes indeed folks, he still doesn't get it. Without a doubt the most totally ignorant Reloading suggestion I've seen in a long time.

No, it doesn't surprise me at all.

For those of you who bother to read "denton's list", he has compiled a group of statements from me that are out of context and in some cases he has skewed them just enough (using his words, not mine) to fit his agenda. A Head-Shrink Doctor who does not post on this Board has sent me an email stating denton has an "Obsessive Compulsive" disorder concerning people who point out his Logic Errors. Beats me, I don't know about such stuff, but old Dr Dan(the Head-Shrink man) might just be correct.

And as a surprise to me, the old Dr somehow decided denton is "Queer for me". Hey folks, I'm really not interested in the fagot or queer lifestyle that the fine Doctor has picked up on. In fact, it is quite repulsive. If the Dr was "joking", he sure didn't indicate it. But, I really can't imagine a queer hanging around a Reloading Board.

But, none of that has to do with the fact that denton's knowledge concerning the most basic understanding of how a Primer Cup, the Primer Pellet and Primer Anvil relate to each other in their function is totally absent. Absolutely pitiful!!!

For those of you who "trust" his posts as containing anything worthwhile, let me just wish you the best of luck.

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Originally posted by vapodog:
I once pointed out that a double charge of smokeless powder in a shotshell could burst the gun and cause serious injury to the shooter.
The poster went ballistic saying that the powder was too much to burn and it would just be blown out the barrel.
I then emailed people at Hodgdons and at Hornady because this guy was using a Hornady 366 press and Hodgdon powder and both companies (essentially) said the guy was full of shit.
The original poster than accused me of posting under several different names!!!

What a DUNCE.....

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I have SEEN a shotgun that was burst this way. The "reloader" had looked into the cases on the progressive reloader, and decided it "didn't look like" there was enough powder in them. Instead of weighing some charges (Red Dot), he "just took a pinch of powder out of the hopper" and sprinkled it into the cases. Lucky him! He was shooting an O/U double that had a heavy breech section, or he would have lost his head. The explosion merely drove a shard of steel from the barrel through his left forearm. A buddy got him to the hospital before he bled to death! This shard also went through the hood of the car he was standing beside after it had gone through his arm! We put the remains of the gun in the window of the local gunshop with a sign explaining what had happened.

Personalities aside, what Denton posted can done safely with the proper technique (I have also removed many live Berdan primers with the RCBS claw tool safely) but why wouldn't one just fire the empty case in a gun first?

Really. I mean wasn't it like 50 cases he had loaded? What's that these days, a DOLLAR? What's a visit to the ER cost these days?

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And as a surprise to me, the old Dr somehow decided denton is "Queer for me". Hey folks, I'm really not interested in the fagot or queer lifestyle that the fine Doctor has picked up on. In fact, it is quite repulsive. If the Dr was "joking", he sure didn't indicate it. But, I really can't imagine a queer hanging around a Reloading Board.

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My goodness, back to name calling. Unfortunately, that's not new. We've seen that behavior before. How childish.

Everything on the list is a fair representation of things Hot Core has posted here. However, I have a standing offer to Hot Core that anything he wants to change his mind on, I'll take off the list. He has never made such a request.

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but why wouldn't one just fire the empty case in a gun first?

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Well, one of my club jobs was replacing primers
in Mil 5.56 cases that our civilian rifles just
wouldn't set off. I wish I wasn't going to
get into the argument, but what little I know
about primers is that a gentle push may be better than a wack, either going in or out.
Heck, I assumed they were married. :-)

Well, here is an absolute Classic Example of what I said about my posts being skewed.

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from Hot Core:
For those of you who bother to read "denton's list", he has compiled a group of statements from me that are out of context and in some cases he has skewed them just enough (using his words, not mine) to fit his agenda.

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from Hot Core:
And as a surprise to me, the old Dr somehow decided denton is "Queer for me". Hey folks, I'm really not interested in the fagot or queer lifestyle that the fine Doctor has picked up on. In fact, it is quite repulsive. If the Dr was "joking", he sure didn't indicate it. But, I really can't imagine a queer hanging around a Reloading Board.

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from denton:
My goodness, back to name calling. Unfortunately, that's not new. We've seen that behavior before. How childish.

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You will note, Dr Dan is the one who mentioned that denton is a queer, not me, but denton chooses to skew my posts as he normally does.

However I did "defend" denton in the highlighted sentence and I'll not make that mistake in the future.

But, his skewing of my posts has no effect at all on his "suggestion" to a Beginning Reloader's question on how to remove a Live Primer, remove Seated Primers from a Case by hammering on the Anvil.

Still the World's Most Ignorant Reloading Suggestion I've seen in many years. Any Beginning Reloader should take note of the danger inherent to this pitiful suggestion.

Once again, your childishness is on display for all to see. Putting your accusation that I am "queer for you" in the mouth of someone else hardly relieves you of responsibility for it.

And, once again, your opinions are contrary to fact, and you have twisted my statement, as you so often do.

I did an experiment, to determine whether taking primers out as I said might be dangerous. I placed primed cases on a flat anvil, with no place for the primer to escape, as I originally specified. That is an important change. I put a rod down through the flash hole, and deliberately set off the primers.

First, it takes a manly whack to detonate the primer this way. It takes a far, far stronger blow to detonate the primer than what is required to tap out the primer.

Second, when the primer does go off, the primer usually comes out with enough force to lift the casing an inch or so off the anvil. It may not be perfectly safe, but this is hardly the eye and limb threatening result you have imagined.

So, once again, you have imagined something, and reported on it without benefit of fact. As always, you have no facts, no figures, and no physics. You just have an opinion.

Here's the offer, once again, on my list: Tell me which of the things on the list are wrong, and I'll change them. I'll change them, even if you've just decided to change your mind. However, you know that everything on the list is practically a direct quote, and you know that many people have seen your strange claims.

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Originally posted by Hot Core
I'm an EE, myself.

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No you're not. You're a phony.

And the list goes on.... with Hot Core's speculation that I am "queer for him", I have added item 1.15.

1. Standard list of Hot Core fabrications, unsupported by any known facts or credible references, all posted on this board by Hot Core, for everyone to see---
1.1. Mounting a strain gage on a rifle will spoil the accuracy.
1.2. You need a CMM to measure the ID and OD of a chamber.
1.3. Mounting a strain gage will cause your rifle to rust.
1.4. Strain gage systems cannot be calibrated, and the results are just a guess.
1.5. PRE is completely repeatable and reliable.
1.6. PRE is calibrated.
1.7. Claims to have 20 years of experience with strain gages.
1.8. Claims that strain gages don’t work outside a laboratory.
1.9 Quotes Ken Waters, the “father†of PRE to support his claims, when, in fact, Waters contradicts Hot Core.
1.10 Claims that a laptop computer and a $200 PressureTrace unit cost $3,750.
1.11 Claims that it takes about an hour to plug the PressureTrace into the computer, connect to the strain gage, and boot the computer.
1.12 Claims that measuring chamber dimensions with a dial caliper is just a guess at the dimensions.
1.13 Claims that the one and only way to calibrate anything is by direct comparison with a known artifact in the same units of measure. Can't explain how you calibrate an automobile speedometer using this method.
1.14 Claims that he is an EE, when, in fact, he is not.
1.15 Publicly speculated that I may be “queer for himâ€.

2. Standard list of Hot Core self-contradictions—
2.1. Claims that you can use factory ammunition as a maximum pressure reference. Also claims that you cannot.
2.2. Claims that you need SAAMI standard ammunition to calibrate a strain gage, but that you don’t need it to calibrate PRE.
2.3. Claims that you cannot use chamber dimensions to calibrate a strain gage, but that you can use brass dimensions to calibrate PRE.
2.4. Claims that he gets four significant digits measuring brass with a micrometer, but the rest of us can’t get three when measuring a chamber.
2.5 Claims to be an EE, but can’t answer simple questions about analog electronic circuits.
2.6 Claims that PRE is calibrated, and accurate. Also claims that it is not, and that knowing actual pressure is irrelevant.
2.7 Falsely claims that the strain gage system is calibrated by repetitive firing of ammunition with an unknown pressure, failing to note that he proposed exactly this system for calibrating PRE.

3. Hot Core logical fallacies/half truths--
3.1 Hot Core can teach anyone to use a micrometer in five minutes, and it is a precise instrument. Since it is a precision instrument, and easy to use, it follows that the dimensions of a brass casing accurately and precisely reflect the pressure of a load.
3.2 Refuses/fails to provide any credible references or experimental data to support his assertions.
3.3 Argues that it is impossible to get adequately accurate chamber dimensions, because they involve a “double ogiveâ€. Obviously does not know where strain gages are actually applied, on the outside of the chamber over the middle of the cartridge case, and that the only chamber measurements needed are a single ID and OD.

Well, I think I'll step into the middle of this firefight with my .03 worth:

It would never have occurred to me to simulate a decapping pin to knock out a live primer. Mostly because I'm lazy I guess. I just go after the offending case with a Universal decapping die from RCBS(one of their more useful tools IMO), and punch it out.

I don't recommend that others do this, in fact I don't care what you do if you're motivated to decap live primers, I assume you're grown up and have your own priority schedule.

I do not see substantial difference betwixt this and the improvised method that is attributed to Denton except that schrapnel, if any, will be contained in the decap die with my method. I assume it will still make a lot of noise however, though I have yet to find out. After 30+ years of handloading I have only once managed to pop a primer in the reloading process, that being with a MEC 9000G. Like to pissed my shorts with that one!

You do what you want to do; now you know what I do. Usually the reason I do it is because I have inadvertantly seated a primer upside down. I have no idea how that happens, but once every 1000 or so rounds, one shows up. I would think it the perfect scenario to set a primer off when decapping them in this position, but apparently they are not terribly sensitive to a slow measured stroke. Like some gals I have known....

The decapping die may be the better way to do it.

Probably the one safe way is to fill the case with water or oil, and push out the primer hydraulically. But that's a lot of work.

I did manage to set off a live primer in a FL sizing/decapping die once... made a stupid mistake getting to that situation. But, in any event. I hardly knew it had gone off... just pffft.

....what DD says! I was about to post basically the same thing, but he types faster, I guess....
....denton, you and hot core need to go have a beer, and get over it.....

Agreed! I too have used a universal decapping die to remove live primers from cases. I use the press lever slowly. Many reason why one would have to do this. Primer seated crooked comes to mind. I have never had one go off yet, but I am aware of what is at stake. I certainly wouldn't whack it with a hammer! I have had a(benchrest) friend of mine try this with a hand held die, however, with disasterous results. His hand bled like a stuck pig and he had multiple small pieces of metal in his hand. He made a trip to the ER because his hand just would not stop bleeding.
Peter.
peter.

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Originally posted by denton:
The decapping die may be the better way to do it.
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Finally an admission that his way MAY not be the best way!
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I did manage to set off a live primer in a FL sizing/decapping die once... made a stupid mistake getting to that situation. But, in any event. I hardly knew it had gone off... just pffft.

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Now for the rest of the story........

I hesitate to tell this, as it was a dumb stunt on my part, but it fits right into this thread.

Early on into my reloading career, I was given a big pail of military 30-06 cases. They were all primmed with an unknown primer, they had been stored in some guys garage under less that ideal conditions.

I didn't want to trust them for regular loads, my dads rifle wasn't to be used to just fire them, so I set off to deprime live primers. Not wanting to use the FL die in my rock chucker, I made a military decapper much like what Denton made, except that I turned it down in a lathe from a 5/16 th allen wrench. I then used the shell holder for a base to whack the deprimer with a ball peen hammer.

At first I used the bench for this, after about 30, I was getting tired of leaning forward to smack the punch. I moved the set-up to my leg, and proceeded to work more comfortably. THE FIRST ONE WENT OFF!:EEK: Maybe it was the first one to have an active primer in it, but it sure hurt. A hole in my jeans corresponded to a hole in my leg, not much blood but a kinda deep numb pain.

I put a band-aid on the wound, went and told dad what had happened, we decided to wait till the next morning to go to the hospital ER.

X-rays showed the primer cup had gone 1.5 inches into the muscle, with the seperated anvil ½ inch behind it. The doc froze the area, retrieved the anvil without too much trouble, but had to use a floroscope to find the cup.

They were about to call the cops, thinking I had been shot. I tried to explain about primers and reloading, but they didn't know what I was saying. Finally one of the tech orderlys heard what was going on, HE was a reloader also, took a look at the x-ray and said "cool it" to the doc. He then had to hear the story himself, the forth time I had told it in less than an hour!

So Denton, a primer just goes PHFFFT? Bullshit sir, it not only goes bang but with considerable power! The quad muscle on a 22 year old leg is pretty dense. For the primer to have penetrated that far in dense muscle, it had to have plenty of power. Also considering a very loose fit in the shell holder and the leaking around the punch, it did a lot of damage!

BTW I just turned 59, so put the rookie comments away. Like I said a dumb move, but it sure gave me a pile of respect for the force contained in a primer.

Crap! I've been using the standard decapping die for those sideways, upside down, etc. primers. Slow and steady doesn't set them off. And yes, every once in a while they're still usable! I've taken all sorts of precautions from eye and hand protection to putting the muffs on but I've never had one go off. HOWEVER, I HAVE HAD one go off after trying to neutralize it with oil. I think the trick is in the force applied.

Perhaps 30 years or so ago, I was in a department store's sporting goods department when a customer came up to the counter and asked the salesperson for a pound of Black Powder. The salesperson's reply was "all our powder is black. Which one do you want?"

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from denton:
So, once again, you have imagined something, and reported on it without benefit of fact. As always, you have no facts, no figures, and no physics. You just have an opinion.

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Just want to thank Peter, Grizz and the rest of you who are "quoting first-hand examples" of how denton's deprime method is inherently dangerous.

Amazing how a person who claims to have such vast Engineering knowledge just can't understand the dynamics of this issue.

Of course, I guess all of you will have a "list" generated to twist and skew your words while suggesting you are telling lies. Yes indeed Grizz, by the time denton gets through skewing your story, he will have it so fouled up it will look as if you now endorse hammering on the anvil of a seated, live primer in order to meet nurses.

And he still defends the practice. Perhaps he will stick a Strain Gauge on it and write an article about it.

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So Denton, a primer just goes PHFFFT? Bullshit sir, it not only goes bang but with considerable power!

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Ever made a cartridge without powder, with strong enough bullet tension that the primer can't unseat the bullet? All the gas is contained in the casing, and there is no "bang", just a click. Same thing happened when I had the casing inside a die. All the gas was confined to the casing and die... no bang.

Thanks for the "sir", anyway. I don't get that much.

I have to go where the data take me. I will not defend a position contrary to the data.

If you got a primer lodged in your leg, then the data say it must be a dangerous practice, much more so than I had thought. I'm sorry I recommended it. I will not do so again. I was wrong.

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all of you will have a "list" generated to twist and skew your words

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Nothing on my list is the least bit twisted or skewed. Items 1-15 are all practically direct quotes. As I've said, I'll take things off the list, even though you said them, just because you've changed your mind. Tell me which ones you've changed your mind on, and I'll take them off. However, you do know that you said them, and that many posters here remember them clearly.

Well, I for one am thankful for Denton & Hot Core... because if I ever get to thinking that I have it bad in my marriage, I can just thank my lucky stars it isn't s rough as THEY have it!

And as for the theory of "deactivating" primers with oil or water, feggadaboutit! I am not going to say they are all like this, but I have seen where someone soaked some primers in water for several days, took a few out and promptly set them off. Ditto the oil. I also remember reading (I think it was on here) that someone soaked some primers in water, let them dry, and proceeded to use them in loaded rounds.

Seems the maufacturers are putting some kind of sealant on them now, making them much more impervious to moisture than they were years ago.

And while I have not had to deprime a live one yet, it makes good sense to me that doing it with the regular decapping die slowly is the way to go... in the rare event it DOES go off, it is inside a thick piece of metal, which will most likely protect the user.

Hot Core and Denton both seem like nice guys to me.
That Ghengus guy was a pain....

Coupla years ago, I got hold of a few hunnerd rds. of '06 milsurp stuff, all 1940s vintage AP. I decided to pull it all, rather than chance something going wrong w/ firing it. I'm glad I did as I found out it was MG ammo and a bit hotter than rifle ammo.
I got it all pulled and proceeded to deprime the brass. I used a Lee universal decapping die and went slow and steady. I managed to decap all but 2 rds. without incident. On those two occasions, however, my dog took a damn dim view of the surprises.

Digital Dan: I was troubled by upside primers
for some time, like to drive me nuts. Finally figured it out. If the priming rod cup drags a little going through the shell holder it will pull down and snap back. This will flip the primer every time.
If you check the clearence and adjust if required with a shim of paper your troubles will dissapear (at least your primer troubles.
Good luck!

Thanks, it has puzzled me for a long time!

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If you got a primer lodged in your leg, then the data say it must be a dangerous practice, much more so than I had thought.

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I'll bet you didn't expect someone to take the depriming off the bench and put on his leg.

It does point out that the primer is what will fly, not the punch you made.


Myself, I think turning the ram in my rockchucker 180 degrees will direcct the flying primers away from me, should one go off. On the other hand, perhaps accumulating hundreds during the depriming operation, then haveing them all set off by that one going off would be a bit much.


BTW, I thought both Hot Core and Denton had valuable posts. I have respected both of you for as long as I can remember posting.


JerryO

There are several ways to perform this task. I also use my resizing die to remove the odd primer, taking care to keep my ugly mug out of the way in case it should detonate. Use a slow steady pressure, and it should pop right out. It never has detonated, but that doesn't mean it won't. If you're worried about it, take the rifle into the garage and fire off the primer.

One request if you don't mind. I've known some valued members to stop using a forum because of a hostile environment and trashing each other. You can do this is a private EMAIL and spare the rest of us from the venom. It's only common decency and costs nothing. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

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Originally posted by JerryO:
, I thought both Hot Core and Denton had valuable posts. I have respected both of you for as long as I can remember posting.

JerryO

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A lot of arguments are because they're on about
slightly different things, or at least different
points of view. Anyway the more they thrash it out the more we may pick up. :-)

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Originally posted by JerryO:
...BTW, I thought both Hot Core and Denton had valuable posts. I have respected both of you for as long as I can remember posting.

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Hey JerryO, Thank you for the kind words. I'll "score" your first sentence above as 50% correct! I've really no desire to get in the gutter on posts. And much prefer exchanges where first-hand experinence is shared by both sides.

And I much prefer humor when disagreeing, like this: The person who made the "World's Most Ignorant Reloading Suggestion" does indeed serve a valuable service(as you mentioned) to this Board. Without his posts, there would be little if any "totally dangerous" suggestions to warn the Beginners and Rookies about.

Now, we just need to get him to go on and "confess"(or knuckle-under) about how dangerous it is to use a HSGS without it first being Calibrated by using the excellent "JCN HSGS Cal Method". The HUGE problem is that apparently the only way to get him to see the "TRUTH" is for someone to post they have been hurt using methods similar to his suggestions. Pitiful!

Hot Core, I am amazed that you would again post your foolish notions about calibration. It has only been a few days since a group of posters handed you your butt for your defense of your very uninformed opinion.

And it has only been a day since I exposed you on another thread for being an impostor, claiming credentials you don't have. https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=518103&f=2511043&m=495106091&r=403102691#403102691 Scroll down to see the results.

On Dec 4, 2004, Hot Core posted:

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I'm an EE, myself.

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He is no such thing. He is a phony. He claims knowledge that he doesn't have, and tries to bluff his way through when people point out problems with his opinions.

He disagrees with Ken Howell, and refers to him disparagingly as "Howl". He disagrees with Ken Waters. He disagrees with OKShooter, a retired professional ballistician. He disagrees with the results of my experiments, and, when confronted, resorts to saying that I am lying about his credentials, or hints that I am "queer for him". Yet he posts no credible reference, no experimental results, no physics, no math... just his opinion.

Believe him at your peril.

One other thing to think about, military brass has the primers crimped into place, so is much more likely to go off if you try to remove them with a sizer die.

Fortunately I have a co-ax press, so if a primer were to go off by being removed in an fl die, it would go straight down, though I might want to put a rag in the jar.

I've had to remove the occasional live primer from a case, for various reasons. So long as one uses ear and eye protection, and no where a primer will fly should it go off, I see no reason to not use an sizing die and de-capping rod to remove it. There are certainly hazards present, but they can be dealt with through reasonable precations.

I will say the original idea posted is stupid, as anyone that is reloading has a press and dies, I assume.

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Originally posted by Hot Core:
A Head-Shrink Doctor who does not post on this Board has sent me an email stating denton has an "Obsessive Compulsive" disorder concerning people who point out his Logic Errors.

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That has never been my experience. I have found denton entirely willing and able to exchange proven error for a better model -- even if, along with the rest of us, he does occassionally struggle with some of the counterintuitive results of modern physics.

Hey, Info. Glad to see you up here where there's enough oxygen for all.