19 April 2008, 23:08
Allan DeGrootThis month's Rifleman erratta
On page 43 of this months National Rifleman in an OLD artical by Gen Julian Hatcher he is quoted as saing "nitrous oxide" is the reddish brown gas that evolves off of degraded rifle powder.
Nitrous oxide (N2O) is a normally odorless gas commonly used for production of whipped creme and dental anestesia.
the "red gas" is Nitric Oxide NO2.
They are very different.
Does anyone know how to e-mail that info to the NRA to correct their pointless repetition of inaccurate information.
AD
Nitric oxide or Nitrogen monoxide are toxic gas . resulting from ignition of various compounds . Hydra carbon Combustion engines .
Hell I'm just going to give you the stuff from Wikipedia and save myself time .
Nitric oxide should not be confused with nitrous oxide (N2O), a general anaesthetic, and with nitrogen dioxide (NO2) which is another poisonous air pollutant. The nitric oxide molecule is a free radical, which is relevant to understanding its high reactivity. It reacts with the ozone in air to form nitrogen dioxide, signalled by the appearance of the reddish-brown color.
Despite being a startlingly simple molecule, NO is a fundamental player in the fields of neuroscience, physiology, and immunology, and was proclaimed “Molecule of the Year†in 1992[1]
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20 April 2008, 02:31
Allan DeGrootThank you for clarifying that.
Well in any event there is no nitrous oxide in the fumes from powder degradation. and certainly N2O isn't responsibe for the red/orange fumes.
The red fumes are the same toxic, noxious corrosive chemical as that fuming off of less than perfectly pure Nitric Acid (I.E. "Red Fuming" Nitric acid)
Either as the gas Nitrogen Dioxide (the red gas) though NO
spontaneously forms NO2 in air anyway... as it is unstable.
Ths Nitrogen Dioxide will spontaneously convert to the colorless Nitrogen Tetroxide at low temps, and converts back when warmed. Happy yet? I didn't want to teach a class in nitrogen chemistry today...

I've got ~100lbs of Nitrous Oxide out in the shop
It makes small engines a lot more fun.
Or medium sized engines more fun at altitude...
There IS nitrous oxide (as well as elemental nitrogen)
in the gasses from propellant deflagration (burning)
it is responsible for that "sweet" odor.
The main point, that the artical is WRONG even if correctly qoting from Hatcher, still stands.
AD
20 April 2008, 08:15
CMcDermottI'm not sure, there may be copyright issues even in an article that old if you simply change the words. Maybe they could put in an editors note about the correct chemical compound.
20 April 2008, 11:22
Winchester 69quote:
...and was proclaimed “Molecule of the Year†in 1992.
Fascinating! Wonder if there is a list of the honorees for other years; perhaps a history of the award and its presenting organization. Inquiring minds....

20 April 2008, 16:20
hawkinsSo Hatcher made a slip fifty years ago ??
The gas is still red, and his point is well taken.
Get a life!
Good Luck!
Allan DeGroot ; Just E Mail the NRA or post in the Rifleman what you said here .
I don't read that publication but would think they allow a reader feed back ?.
I got tired of them soliciting for $$$$ all the time WAY BACK !., DC lobbyist at their worst IMO.
They have done zip zero nada buttkus for gun rights or owners in California to my knowledge .
Seems to be a wonderful money making operation for several of the head personnel how ever !.
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