Anyone using em'?

They have some very optimistic velocities in their manuals for some cartridges.

Accuracy? How was your pressure when getting close to their book max loads?

Reloader

I couldn't get accuracy from VN560 even though many seem to love it in WSM's.

I burn more VN340 in my 40S&W and 38 spl than all others combined...

I'm using n133 in my 6PPC Viper Drop Port. It works very well. Seems to be burning pretty cleanly.

I also us it in my Remington VSSF .223 with 40 gr V-max's accurate and fast.

No signs of pressure in either gun.

I use N130, N133 (either in .222, .223 Rem or 6mmPPC), N135 (6mmBR), N160 (6.5x55, .270 Win, .30-06) and have in general been happy with the results.

The VV manual is indeed somewhat optimistic at times. On the other hand, our very own StuC just loaded max loads from that manual in a .30-06, and did not seem to have hit max pressures. So I guess it just depends...

- mike

I am not sure if the manual is optimistic or if we just have not as many trial lawyers over here... I admit that I do not measure velocity (at the distances I shoot at some m/s more or less really do not matter) but the so far with N110, N133 and N140 I get most guns I have to shoot well.

The only non-Vihta powder I use for rifles is RL19 aka Norma 204 which also is very clean and precise.

The only VV powder I`ve played much with is N320 in my 45acp. It has shown to be very clean and seems to act as the manuals imply it should with 185 and 200 gr bullets.

I use V V powders all the time, mostly N340 for my handguns and N160 and N165 for my rifles. I DO NOT get the velocities they advertise for the handgun loads in 40 S&W, but find their tables on the contrary conservative for .45 ACP. For rifle loads, N165 is excellent for a variety of big bore calibers. I use it in my .416 Rigby mostly as well as my .300 WinMag.

I use N 130, N133 (.222) , N 135 (9,3x62), N 140 (.308, 7,5x55) and N 160 (7x64, .300 Win, .338 Win) with complete satisfaction. Accuracy is great but I also find their data tables to be on the conservative side.

I use VV N340 in my 44 mag loads for my 14 inch TC contender. I have had awesome accuracy results with both 240 and 300 grain jacketed bullets. The 240s seem to like the the minimum listed load at 10.4 grains, the 300s like it middle-of-the-road at 9.7-9.9 grains.

The 240s shoot into about .75 inch at 25 yards and about 1.5 inches at 50. The 300s are grouping most shots inside an inch at 50 yards.

Ran them both over the chrono, and the 240s are getting about 1300 fps, and the 300s are about 1000 fps.

The 30-06 velcocities were the ones that really seemed the most optimistic to me.

Over 3130 w/ a 150?

That's moving in an 06'

Reloader

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Over 3130 w/ a 150?

That's moving in an 06'

Where did you find that load? The most I see in their #3 is 3010 fps in a 24" tube which isn`t too far out of line with other data sources. Hodgdon and Alliant both, show loads giveing over 3000 fps on their web sites.

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Where did you find that load? The most I see in their #3 is 3010 fps in a 24" tube which isn`t too far out of line with other data sources. Hodgdon and Alliant both, show loads giveing over 3000 fps on their web sites.

ol' Joe,

It's in their latest printable(pdf) version from their site. I believe it was 3132fps. That's moving in an 06'. I don't doubt that some get it w/ overpressure loads. I was thinking 3000-3050 is more the norm.

It doesn't surprise me a bit. Heck, just about every manual you pick up has different velocities and we all no every rifle is an individual. I've seen a pile of rifles that were so far off of book velocities when compared to chronoed loads.

The most accurate load data I have when compared to the chrony has ironically been one of the cheapest manuals, The Lee (cant remember the edition, it's the bright red one from about 10 years back.)

Have a Good One

Reloader

I've used VV150 in my .260ai w/ ilight bullets & am playing w VV160 for my .338mag. I find the SD very small w/ VV powders & accuracy is usually very good as well. Velocities, seem good, but I am using wildcats so hard to judge. I just wish the VV powders were not so expensive.

Have used VV135 which seems pretty close to 4895, and VV160 which seems in the IMR4350/IMR- 4831 range. Neither Vhita powder seems to deliver quite as much velocity at the same APPARENT pressures as IMR's of similar buring rates. I hasten to add that I have no way of measuring actual pressures (but then, neither do the hotshots with the strain gages). I have no complaints about their cleanliness or accuracy and would be pleased if someone were to dump 50 or a hundred pounds on me.

When shooting competiively I used about 2 8-lb'ers a year of VV-N135, and one 8 lb-er per year of VV-N133...that's about 3,500-5,500 rounds in the cartridges in which I used them, depending on the mix. Did that for about 6 years.

I have found VV N-135 to give at least as much velocity as IMR 4895 in the .30 PPC, .30-BR, and 45-70, which are the cartridges I load them in the most. They seem to burn much cleaner than IMR- or H-4895 in my loads, and my guns. They also meter better out of my Jones powder measure than any brand of the regular 4895 did/does for me.

The thing I really like about VV's N series is the burn rate consistency from lot to lot (especially with N-135). Made it a bunch easier when shooting benchrest. didn't have to make near as many "tuning" tweaks in the charges to shoot winning groups or scores, regardless of weather, location, humidity, temp, etc.

As you no doubt have gathered by now, I love the stuff.

Using N-560 in 338WM,30.06 and 308Norma,I got book velocities or a bit more.N-550 in 30.06 wasn't so fast.