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I've been working on some loads for a 7.62x39 Bolt Action rifle. I've found that cheap factory steel case Silver Bear 125 grain soft points are chronographing 2,555 fps average from my 20" barreled rifle. My own handloads are averaging 2127 fps with TAC and 2000 fps with N133. I tore down the factory steel case ammo and it has 25.5 grains of powder in it that looks similar to N133 (a short cut stick powder) but I can't figure out what powder the factory is using and how they are getting 430 fps more than I'm getting. Just thought I'd throw that out there and see what the more experienced have to say. Accuracy is far more important to me than velocity but I don't want to leave 20% of the velocity on the table. | ||
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Well. First off QL says you can't get there from here. Nothing gets a 125gr bullet to 2555 and stays under max pressure. You are having trouble getting the 308 to group. If the barrel is a 310 not a 308 you would loose a touch of velocity since your pressure doesn't build as much. As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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I just picked up a box of .310 diameter bullets today on the way home from a Cow Elk hunt. The new numbers are based on .310 bullets. I wonder if I need to double check my chrony? But the average fps is based on 15 shots of my loads and 6 factory loads. The factory loads ranged from 2538 to 2574fps. Paul I have Quickload but admittedly I don't know my way around that program very well. What powder does Quickload say gives the fastest velocity? I wondered if they were pushing the velocity up higher due to the steel case over brass but that doesn't make the primer any stronger? | |||
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Let me rerun it. I had the burn rate limits on powder set to low. As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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A custom powder in the N120-n125 range might be what the factory load is. Cartridge : 7.62 x 39 (.308) Russ. Bullet : .310, 123, Hornady FMJ 3147 Useable Case Capaci: 31.936 grain H2O = 2.074 cm³ Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.190 inch = 55.63 mm Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders. Matching Maximum Pressure: 50000 psi, or 344 MPa or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 % These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window. C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations. USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON ! 76 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped. Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time % Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms --------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Nitrochemie A/S 0300 101.7 30.7 1.99 2619 98.3 50000 5932 0.988 ! Near Maximum ! SF033 fl, russ. 5,45x39 105.0 31.6 2.05 2599 99.8 47728 5735 1.009 ! Near Maximum ! Norma 200 104.1 30.0 1.94 2572 98.9 50000 5657 1.020 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AR 2219 103.4 31.4 2.04 2568 94.8 50000 5832 0.993 ! Near Maximum ! SNPE Vectan SP 10 103.6 32.6 2.11 2568 93.6 50000 5895 0.999 ! Near Maximum ! PB Clermont PCL 508 (PCL223) 103.5 32.6 2.11 2566 93.6 50000 5886 1.000 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AR 2207 101.6 28.0 1.81 2565 100.0 50000 5334 1.002 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H335 103.7 33.3 2.16 2562 93.4 50000 5897 0.998 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 4198 105.0 27.7 1.80 2526 98.8 49419 5276 1.000 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N120 104.1 28.0 1.81 2524 100.0 50000 4933 1.006 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-7 99.9 28.4 1.84 2522 98.6 50000 5337 1.017 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N125 97.8 26.8 1.73 2515 100.0 50000 4919 1.011 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-10x 105.0 29.2 1.89 2513 97.5 45650 5627 1.043 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 5744 86.2 24.3 1.57 2508 98.8 50000 5271 1.006 ! Near Maximum ! Lovex D060 88.2 24.3 1.57 2508 98.8 50000 5271 1.006 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H4227 95.1 25.6 1.66 2501 99.9 50000 4952 1.004 ! Near Maximum ! Kazan Sunar 308W 104.1 30.0 1.94 2501 97.5 50000 5281 1.016 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AR 2210 103.0 31.3 2.03 2499 91.1 50000 5530 1.014 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 1680 91.4 28.1 1.82 2499 96.1 50000 5315 1.012 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 2200 99.8 29.8 1.93 2497 92.5 50000 5448 1.012 ! Near Maximum ! Lovex D073.4 105.0 33.1 2.15 2497 90.6 48352 5591 1.028 ! Near Maximum ! Nitrochemie A/S 0200 86.1 25.3 1.64 2494 100.0 50000 4886 1.019 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H110 80.2 25.3 1.64 2490 100.0 50000 4813 1.027 ! Near Maximum ! ADI BM2 100.5 31.5 2.04 2489 91.1 50000 5465 1.017 ! Near Maximum ! Lovex D063 83.3 25.6 1.66 2484 98.8 50000 5035 1.007 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 4227 93.9 25.3 1.64 2478 99.6 50000 4892 1.008 ! Near Maximum ! Lovex S053 95.8 25.3 1.64 2477 100.0 50000 4677 1.018 ! Near Maximum ! Bofors RP1 NT ~approximation 99.9 28.5 1.85 2476 94.1 50000 5211 1.011 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H4198 100.5 27.8 1.80 2469 94.5 50000 5132 1.013 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 2230 105.0 33.5 2.17 2460 87.7 47184 5477 1.038 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 2460 105.0 33.3 2.16 2457 89.7 44768 5605 1.063 ! Near Maximum ! Winchester 748 105.0 33.3 2.16 2454 88.0 43539 5760 1.057 Rottweil R910 82.8 22.5 1.46 2452 100.0 50000 4227 1.015 ! Near Maximum ! Lovex D073.5 105.0 33.2 2.15 2448 89.5 44249 5587 1.068 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H322 105.0 30.0 1.94 2447 92.6 42787 5571 1.062 Somchem S321 105.0 33.3 2.16 2446 88.0 43600 5684 1.064 ReloadSwiss RS 30 89.2 23.1 1.50 2442 100.0 50000 4371 1.017 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-12 105.0 31.5 2.04 2434 93.0 43730 5432 1.060 ReloadSwiss RS 40 105.0 31.5 2.04 2431 87.5 45850 5430 1.055 ! Near Maximum ! As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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When I reloaded for the 7.62x39, I got my best velocity and accuracy using Reloader 7 under a 123gr Hornady FMJ. I can't remember the loading data, but that was the powder I used in the Russian SKS. | |||
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Accurate 2200 does well for me. I use 29 grains with a 125 bullet, but that is for Chinese-made autoloaders. In a front-locking turnbolt action there is no need to limit pressures to 50K (psi), so you can pump it up a grain or so to reach the same velocities as your "factory" loads. | |||
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