I know, but what the hell.

I just wanted to do it.

Thought I would try to duplicate the "Dangerous Game" solid load by a couple of companies.
Did not concider it until I saw the absurd prices that were being charged for thier rounds.

So,I decided to set out to safetly duplicate or exceed them at a fraction of the price.

This is just the start.

.45-70 Government

Rifle- Browning/Winchester 1886 Carbine, 22in. Bbl.
Bullet- 500Gr. Hornady DGS Solid
Powder- H322
Case- Winchester
Primer- Fed. 215GM
COL- 2.55"

LEE factory crimp die used with heavy crimp.

Chrono. 12 Ft. from Muzzle, Temp. 69 Degs.

Since this is preliminary testing, only 3-shot strings used.

Charge- 39.0 Grs.
FPS- 1427,1446,1443. ES- 19, SD- 10, Avg.- 1438

Charge- 40.0 Grs.
FPS- 1447,1455,1432. ES- 23, SD- 11, Avg.- 1444

Charge- 41.0 Grs.
FPS- 1489,1491,1468. ES- 23, SD- 12, Avg.- 1482

LEE crimp die applied a beautiful strong crimp. There was no movement of bullets.

Recoil was not bad at all suprisingly.

All charges showed movement within the case. No compression at all.

I do not think at this time hitting the target velocity of between 1600-1700 Fps will
be a problem with reasonable pressures.

Note* No magical components are being used.

I tried the same thing about 8 years ago.

Rifle was a single shot H&R rifle. My load was 55 grains of IMR4064 for velocity of 1700 fps....I worked up this load so start low if you try it.


Jason

quote:

Originally posted by Jason22:
I tried the same thing about 8 years ago.

Rifle was a single shot H&R rifle. My load was 55 grains of IMR4064 for velocity of 1700 fps....I worked up this load so start low if you try it.


Jason

I've always wondered what level of loads the H&R could tolerate. To date, I've always stuck with the middle level "lever action" ones in my manuals. I don't know that I'd really care to go a lot hotter than I am right now (350 grain bullet at ~2000 fps). I can't imagine running across any animal in my neck of the woods that could possibly require more horsepower, unless something escapes from the zoo.

Kjjm4

Trust me those 500 @ 1700 fps recoil was BAD in a 7.5 lbs rifle. You talk about 350 @ 2000 fps. That was my load I used to elk hunt many years ago. As far as pressure and H&R I know they make the same rifle with high power high pressure rounds. All I know MY rifle showed no pressure sign. Now that I have a 458 Lott I am sure my days of hot loads in my H&R are done

Jason

Update,

Increase in charge weight and temp. change the
only differences from last test.

Temp. 43 Degs.

43.0 Grs.
FPS- 1544, 1534, 1532

44.0 Grs.
FPS- 1585, 1576, 1583

45.0 Grs.
FPS- 1612, 1624, 1608

46.0 Grs.
FPS- 1640, 1644, 1644

I will be trying a 10 shot string with the 46.0
grain load.
No pressure signs were noticed and extraction was normal.
Pictures are of 46.0 Gr. load.

Colt. How is the recoil....getting up there isn't it

Jason

I put a new stock on the 1886. I included a 1" Deccelerator butt pad.
The recoil is not as bad as you would think.