I just saw an add where Hornady dies is again using a threaded spindle in their sizing die. This means the end of the pipewrench and box end wrench disaster they provided us with for years.....anyone tried them and can confirm that?

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Originally posted by vapodog:
I just saw an add where Hornady dies is again using a threaded spindle in their sizing die. This means the end of the pipewrench and box end wrench disaster they provided us with for years.....anyone tried them and can confirm that?

I have yet to have a problem with the shaft / collet assy?

I've not had any problems with my collet/shaft either (OTOH, it is just a depriming punch in my pistol dies, not an expander), but the new design seems to have the best of both worlds: The superior centering ability of a collet, with the adjustabiliy and non-slipping features of the threaded types.

I sure do like their engineering... LNL inserts, sleeved seating dies, optional micrometer adjusters for any caliber, LNL powder measure (with drain!), Titanium nitride coatings, clamp style lock rings with wrench flats, and now this!

Andy

I traded in a set of hornady dies after having the collet slip repeatedly.

Well it must have been loose if it couldn't even pop out a primer??
JL.

It was tightened as tight as possible with wrenches,yet it slipped several times while sizing.It holds the expander ball as well as the primer rod.

I've had good success with Hornady's pistol dies...they work great.

Their rifle dies have been miserable however.

This threaded spindle will fix that. In the future I'll try their dies again.....I'm a Hornady fan but had to walk on their dies.

Hornady dies seem to catch the most heck out here in the chat rooms. BUT, I've got probably 7 or 8 sets and have never slipped the stem. I gotta admit that they seem to have the most problematic Quality Control but I've had super luck. With some tuning they will make ammo as good as my forster bench rest dies.
If I was to order another set of dies for a new gun.....they would be Hornady.

Well, it's about time. I may start using them now. I wonder if they will take back the POS dies with the collet and retro-fit them. The collet dies were the absolute worst dies I have ever used.

Don't know if you guys have tried it or not but I think it's a matter of using the right tools for the job. Clean the stem and collet mechanism of oil. Then hold the die body with a good wrench. Put a deep well socket on collet and snug it up good. (I am also going to say that if you can get someone to help you you should be centering the spindle at that time of tightening by holding a piece of concentric brass to the expander ball from the bottom.) (I've got it down to using a knee and 2 hands so, as you can see, I've done it before.)
This is how I do it on my 7 or 8 sets and I have NEVER SLIPPED a collet. I've even used my hornady 7mm and 308 dies to neck up .243 brass to .308 doing it in two steps...going to 7mm then to .308---they worked like butter with some imperial sizing wax.....never slipped a collet there either.

The right tool for the job........how about take their POS dies back....get cash refund buy a decent set of Redding dies and be done with it. I have several items from Hornady that I like real well ....their rifle dies are not one of those items.

i had (note "had") 3 sets of hornady's. 25-06, 7x57 and 300wby and they all slipped. either pushed the decapping stem up - not during depriming, but during neck expanding - or pulled it down as the case was passing back over. what's curious is lee uses the same method and i've never had one of theirs slip.

correct method or not, there are better ways to go about securing the decapping stem from plenty of other die mfgrs so why even bother. buy somebody else's.

I have Hornady dies in .308 and .223, but have either gone to neck sizing or using my old Lee die for FLR. The stem on the Hornady keeps slipping on my .308, but I managed to minimize that on my .223 somehow.

It is annoying enough that I have considered getting a Redding sizing die, but since most of the time I just use the collect neck sizing die I haven't yet.

To each his own....until I get a bad set (so far my win record is 8-0) I won't worry about it.....just keep ordering Hornady. And then I'll give hornady a chance to fix it if I get a bad one just like I've given forster and redding a chance to fix their dies.
AND in the meantime when I read about all the guys with 2 redding bushing dies and a competition seater (per cartridge) that can barely make .002" runnout I'll just smile........But I'm the kind of guy that likes an "underdog"!!

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Originally posted by kraky:
Don't know if you guys have tried it or not but I think it's a matter of using the right tools for the job.

What you are saying may be correct but aren't you really saying " here is how you can make a marginal design work, or at least come close"? My druthers are that the screw in and lock design is far superior. roger

Come on guys......it's hardware....tighten it and it works. I sell farm machinery for a living....drives me crazy when people can't put a wrench on something and tighten it.....just a pet peeve after 30 years in business.

Yes and also I thought they were designed to slip rather than break when we/they/you try to deprime berdan type cases.
I use Lee's with the same system with no problems there either.
JL.

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Originally posted by JAL:
Yes and also I thought they were designed to slip rather than break when we/they/you try to deprime berdan type cases.

Berdan cases? My Oh My! Who would ever do that? Is that a down under type of thing? To call that characteristic in the Lee dies an attribute is a bit of a stretch ,don't you think? The rate of occurence, me thinks, must be terribly small.

Really, Cracky, This thread is nothing to get stressed out over.

You got a long handle on your wrentch, JAL??? roger

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Originally posted by M16:
Well, it's about time. I may start using them now. I wonder if they will take back the POS dies with the collet and retro-fit them. The collet dies were the absolute worst dies I have ever used.

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Originally posted by bartsche:


Berdan cases? My Oh My! Who would ever do that? Is that a down under type of thing?

You got a long handle on your wrentch, JAL??? roger

Um yes I was getting a bit parochial, it was an Aussie thing to slip a mil berdan case in with someones mil boxer cases.
NOW i remember, Hornady told me they designed their system for you Yanks that couldn't get the setting right for the pin to punch out the primer with out having it bottom out and wrecking things. They told me you all could wait till it slipped up AND THEN tighten it.

But Mr Hornady knew we don't got no Wrenches or wrentches down here, I put an openender on the die and a ring spanner on the collet, and for a change, I used my muscle instead of my mouth.
Boy I love this site.
Regards, John L.

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Originally posted by JAL:

Boy I love this site.
Regards, John L.

And I truely enjoy Aussie wit and humor. roger

The only time I've had problems with the spindle slipping is when I haven't checked and tightened the collet on new dies. Some times it's okay from the factory, sometimes it's not.

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But Mr Hornady knew we don't got no Wrenches or wrentches down here,

I know Mr Hornady personally....trust me...he don't think "Bubba" owns a wrench anywhere.

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I know Mr Hornady personally....QUOTE]

I trust you are referring to Mr. Hornady's son?

Unless you are a spiritualist, of course...[G]

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I trust you are referring to Mr. Hornady's son?

I trust that we all know that "Mr. Hornady's son" is also Mr. Hornady.

I feel bad that while I had the chance I never met Joyce Hornady.

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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I trust you are referring to Mr. Hornady's son?

I trust that we all know that "Mr. Hornady's son" is also Mr. Hornady.

I feel bad that while I had the chance I never met Joyce Hornady.

That was intended as friendly humour, hence the "[G]". Steve is "the kid". "Mr." was his dad. But no need to get serious about it, won't matter two whits in 50 years.

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But no need to get serious about it,

sometimes it's hard to read the humor in the writing...

My apologies if I mis read your post