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A friend has a 7x57mm Mauser in a CZ 550 Full Stock. I reloaded some ammunition for him once before in 2001 and mailed it off to him with no problem. Well, he asked for some more and sent me the money to buy the components. I did and am about done. It is only 200 rounds. Just for the hell of it I called the post office and was informed the United States Postal Service never has, nor willl it ever accept loaded ammunition to ship in a package. The lady said FedEx and United Postal Service will do it. I could not find a UPS office in my area (Eudora, Kan) so I contacted the 1-800 number for FedEx. The fellow told me it would cost $34.50 to ship it down to El Paso, Texas with a weight of 15 pounds. He told me I had to contact this other person before I could ship it and the other guy told me I had to get a HazMat permit. He said I had to attend a special class to get the hazmat permit, which is going to be a bitch because I am permanently disabled and cannot walk more than 100 feet with emphysema. Just what in the hell is going on and how can I ship this stuff to Billy. He has already paid for it, without the shipping. Thanks ... Tom Purdom | ||
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Well for starters a loaded ammo does NOT require a HAZMAT fee. But powder and primers do. You'd want to make sure it's properly packaged though. Like in containers where the rounds are seperated (like factory ammo packages) and then cushioned in bubble wrap or plastic peanuts. You just don't want the possiblity of a round going off due to a primer impact like might happen with loose rounds. I have shipped and had shipped to me loaded ammo lots of times via the USPS. It's normally cheaper to use the other shippers due to weight though. Just for giggles call midway (1800-243-3220) and ask them, they ship loaded ammo all the time.  It sounds like you have been talking to people that are ignorent of the regulations and want to make up what they think the rules should be. Roi DRSS member Constant change is here to stay. | |||
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UPS or Fed-Ex, ground only, NO Haz-mat fees required/apply. Package must be marked "ORM-D Small Arms Ammunition". Package must be dropped of at a hub, not at a store front type location. Make a few more phone calls, while continuing up the corperate food chain until you get someone that actualy knows the regulations (having them send you a copy of the relavent section wouldn't hurt). Get that persons name and direct phone number (you may have to refer the moron hub manager to your contact person, for educational/training purposes ).You can use the USPS to ship unprimed brass inert or dummy rounds, and bullets, but not live ammo or primed brass. | |||
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Tom, Think about it for a second. Do any of the suppliers charge a hazmat fee for loaded ammo? The answer is no. For primers and powder the answer is yes. Two different things. If it was me, I'd box it up, have a buddy drop it off at the nearest UPS facility, ship it, and not lose any sleep over it. I've done this many times. | |||
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I'm a shooter and cartridge collector and ship and receive loaded ammo all the time. UPS and FedEx GROUND are the only two ways you can ship. NO USPS!!! That is illegal!! Tailgunner has it right. Follow his advice but be prepared to get a different answer from everyone you ask. Package like any other package, put on an ORMD sticker, declare it as "cartridges". Don't try to get around any of the requirements by lying or some such. It's not worth it if you get caught. JMHO Some of my buddies avoid 99% of the hassle by opening their own UPS account. You can enter all the data, print out your own label, stick it on and then drop the package off at any UPS Outlet or store, or give it a UPS driver. If you find a UPS or FedEx clerk who knows the rules, kiss him/her on the lips and use him/her for all your packages. It helps to live in a small town. Eudora KS has to be one.  Ray Arizona Mountains | |||
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Thanks for the replies folks. I guess I got the shipping clerk who was stuck on stupid, but then I didn't challege him either. I will contact Midway just for grins. Once more, thanks to all ... Tom Purdom | |||
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I shipped some loaded ammo to a gunsmith working on my 416 Rigby. UPS is the way I did it. They told me that as long as it wasn't over 100 rounds it was fine. Something about not being considered a manufacturer. USPS is not legal. And the jerk who runs the FedEx storefront location will not ship ANYTHING firearm related. In fact he gouged me when I preshipped a bunch of hunting supplies to Alaska one year. I would go the UPS route if I was you. | |||
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Tom The only real problem with UPS (besides stupid clerks) is that they are a private business and can do whatever they want no matter how hard you may argue with them. But, hey, that's the American way and I wouldn't want it any different. That's why I suggested finding a UPS store or outlet that won't hassle you and then do all your business with them even if it means driving an extra mile or standing in line. ray Arizona Mountains | |||
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USPS...ignornace is bliss...coulda been a friend of mine Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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