I am looking for accuracy loads using 180gr .357 and .358 diameter pistol and rifle bullets in the .35 Rem. Thanks.

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Originally posted by Tanker:
I am looking for accuracy loads using 180gr .357 and .358 diameter pistol and rifle bullets in the .35 Rem. Thanks.

Nugman is quite right: MarlinOwners is where you will find the vest information.

Do a search for a Poster named "35 Remington". He's done phenomenal work on 35 Rem load data.

Having said that, I've found that in my Marlin 336 LTD in .35 Rem that 41.0 gr. of H4895 under a 180gr. Speer HC bullet gives me 2350 fps (chrono'ed) and 3/4" groups at 100 yards.

That load is a couple grains above book max - so work up slowly. In my rifle I have no pressure signs and it's just plain a fantastic load.

BTW, if you're going to shoot a 180 gr. bullet, youmay as well shoot the 180 Speer HC.

Final note: I've got load data from a Speer #11 manual that goes down to 125 gr. bullets. I get very decent results with IMR 4895.

I'm loading for a Rem. 600 so I am not as limited to bullet shape but I would prefer to keep pressures moderate. I like the little .35 because it is light in weight, blast and recoil. For more power I could use my .358 or .350. I have a good supply of Rem. .357 180gr.JHP and Horn..358 180gr.SSP.

My favorite powder in the little Rem case is H-322. I have had several guns in that caliber and 38 - 40 grains shot real well with pistol bullets. My contender 14 inch tube will run about 2200 fps and my 20 inch carbine a bit over 2300. Both smack deer with authority.
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Originally posted by Tanker:
I'm loading for a Rem. 600 so I am not as limited to bullet shape but I would prefer to keep pressures moderate. I like the little .35 because it is light in weight, blast and recoil. For more power I could use my .358 or .350. I have a good supply of Rem. .357 180gr.JHP and Horn..358 180gr.SSP.

In that case...

I haven't seen much published load data for the 180gr. pistol bullet. Having said that, the Rem 600 action is capable of handling loads on the order of 15k cup higher than the Marlin 336 action.

I'd consider the 15k as a huge safety margin and wouldn't have much fear in experimenting with 336 load data.

With that said, I'd do the following:

Measure the seated depth of the Pistol bullets vs. the Speer 180 HC bullet. If the pistol bullet seats deeper then I'd knock 5% off the starting load and see where it got me. (Deeper seating = higher pressures) IF they are loaded to the same depth, then I'd use normal starting load data.

Also note, the pistol bullet has much greater bearing surface - which should improve accuracy at 100 yards (ballistics will severely drop off on a pistol bullet post-100 yards) but will increase pressures a bit.

So, having said all that, and looking at the powders on my bench, I'd still go with a "moderately slower burning powder" like H4895 to start with as opposed to a faster powder like H322 just to give myself a greater margin for safety. H4895 is also not particularly temperature sensitive at all - a true benefit in SoCal summers.

I'd start with 35 gr. of H 4895, working up to around 40gr. of H4895.

The 35 Rem cases will hold, filled to the lip, 43gr. of H4895. I know that 42.0 gr of H4895 is safe in my 336 with no pressure signs. So, I just don't think you could possibly overload the cartridge in your Rem 600 action with H4895.

Hope that helps!

I tried a long while back a load with H335 that I think was recommended by Layne Simpson but it was only fair. I will give the H4895 a whirl. This little rifle has proven a good performer with one hole 3 shot groups using the Horn. 200gr. RN.

Tanker:

You may want to give IMR 3031 a try. Of the half dozen or so powders I have tested in my M600, it gives best accuracy with both 180 and 200 gr. bullets. With the 180 gr. Hornady SSP bullet, only H322 has given higher velocities, but accuracy was pretty sour in comparison to the 3031 loads.

I just tested the 180 gr. Speer FNSP with 3031 this past weekend, having previously used H4895 with this bullet. A load 0.5 gr. lower than the optimum load with the Hornady bullet gave the Speer bullet the same velocity (2160 fps), and produced a 4-shot 100 yd. group of 2/3". Velocity was 2090 fps with the optimum load previously developed with H4895 (chronographed at the same time as a control). I won't list the loads here, since they exceed manual maximums, but are safe in my rifle. However, I will note that the charges were dispensed into the cases using a drop tube, and then compressed by the bullet.

Hope this helps.

Cheers, Al