26 July 2004, 08:46
7-30 Waters222 Rem vs 222 Rem Match - Is it worth it?
A question for all you 222 Rem shooters. I am having a new 24" barrel made for my T/C Contender. I am having it chambered in 222 Rem. My only concern is that I have never outside turned case necks before. I am sure like anything it takes practice.
My question is this. Is all the extra case prep time of turning necks really worth it? Will it improve the accuracy and group sizes to warrent the match grade chamber?
I know the 222 Rem was the benchrest shooters choice back in the 70's and is capable of superior accuracy. Will ordering a match grade chamber make that big of a difference?
The barrel will be made by Fred Smith of Bullberry Barrel Works and the dies will be Redding.
26 July 2004, 09:02
Patrick_If you're having the barrel made for you, I would have the same reamer used to cut the dies. If you're even thinking about neck turning etc, then this is a place you can make a big difference without getting into lots of other stuff.
I would say that given proper concentric chambering you would make a bigger difference to your group size by getting and learning how to use a proper rest and bag combination.
My own factory 222rem easily shot way better than I could do with a cheap rest and poor technique. 5 shot .3" groups if I did my bit.
26 July 2004, 10:07
craigsterI have an early Rem 40X that shoots in the two's. I have never neck reamed/turned any cases. The best groups come from cases that have been weighed, primer pockets uniformed, flash holes deburred, and trimmed to length. The most accurate load in the rifle has been with Berger 52gr match bullets, Federal premium cases, Rem 71/2BR primers, and 24.3 grs of BLC-2 and an OAL of 2.200". I do not use benchrest dies and have never checked the runout. Why mess with a good thing? Put together an accurate load first, and then think about neck turning later on down the road, it may or may not be worth the effort.
26 July 2004, 14:47
tom hollandI'd talk to Bullberry and see what he says. Don't really know if a TC with a tight neck will give those BR groups. My 40x 222 came with test target in the 2's. I've got some federal match 222 brass and if I clean up the necks use inline dies I can cut those groups to the high 1's and my tight neck LV BR rifle will get in the 1's. About 10 yrs ago at the Catus BR match in AZ Mike Walker shot the smallest group in the light BR match and used his 222 group was in the 0's. I had a 222AI done up years ago was kind of a BR round has a tight neck got a 1/12 twist. The guy that works for Lee Six chamber it for me and he did a die also for it. I use it now as a varmit rifle these days. Great round.
27 July 2004, 04:10
skb2706If it were me I would have Fred cut the chamber whatever his standard is. With decent loaded ammo I bet the barrel will easily make his .500" three shot guarantee. I have a .221 Fireball carbine barrel that he made up for me that makes it very easily. I like shooting more than fooling with cases....but thats just me.
What are you planning on using the barrel for.....target work or prairie dogs/varmints.
My FB will make good shots on pds out to 300 yds.
27 July 2004, 04:13
skb2706Hot Core - FYI Bullberry uses a Shilen blank and the ones I have had were very very accurate and finished like a mirror inside.....some of my TC factory barrels were only so so.
27 July 2004, 12:51
Hot CoreHey skb, I figured the aftermarket barrels HAD TO BE BETTER than the factory Contender barrels I had. One was a 44Mag and had "Left-Hand" twist. When you would go to clean it, it was constantly unscrewing the Tight Patched Jag. I called T/C and got ahold of one of their YANKEE Production Foremen who really wasn't interested in talking to me about a couple of things I considered problems. After I got off the phone, I loaded up all the T/C stuff I had, drove directly to one of the local GunShops and traded the stuff off.
That one Foreman's attitude has prvented me from purchasing from them ever since. I sure like the looks of that new Muzzle Loader they have(can't even think of it's name at the moment), but just can't bring myself to help that guy make his salary.
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But, all that is beside the point. It sounds like going with Bullberry is the thing to do. It is always nice to look in a new barrel (after cleaning) and have it sparkling like a Hall-of-Mirrors. Best of luck to all of you guys with your single-shots. Not much of a handicap at all when you pay attention to that all important first shot.