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on deer sized game from the RUM.I cant believe any 200 gr bullet going 3100+ wont work on deer. would you pay the extra for the Accubonds or just shoot whatever shots the best. SPEED KILLS | ||
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are you kidding?.....get some armor piercing stuff as today's deer have grown 1/2" steel plate all around them. Many folks are now using their .375 H&H for deer as they just don't want to be undergunned.....and yes...they're using the most expensive bullets they can find. Don't use anything less for heaven's sake!!!!! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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For me, if impact vel. is going to be much over 2800fps, I start reaching for at least a Nosler partition, even in the heavy weights. Not because the deer are wearing body armor but high vel. does weird things to bullet integrity. You are likely to lose a shoulder or backstrap if the shot isn't exactly where you want it. LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT! | |||
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I'd have to say it all depends........ It depends on whether you like to actually eat some of the deer you just shot......or you like to drag your deer out in 1 piece or 2 pieces. | |||
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I will only use what is most accurate in my rifle. I do not buy into the idea that expensive bullets are required to kill North American game. You are right. A 200 grainer at 3100 in a vital zone is meat on the table. At least what is left. Speed does not kill. Especially if you shoot them through a flapping ear or a swishing tail. Accuracy Kills!! Free men should not be subjected to permits, paperwork and taxation in order to carry any firearm. NRA Benefactor | |||
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 That's a good one Vapo!!! Reloader | |||
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Around 95% of my bullets come in a green box. I have never had any animal complain about them. | |||
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Steve, Good thing they're color blind....  Reloader | |||
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For deer, it really doesn't matter what bullet you use, although if you're going to shoot tin foil Sierras at warp speed out of an RUM , you'll need that 200grainer to keep it from turning your deer into chum as it might hold together just long enough to avoid high order detonation. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Just for shits and grins I shot two deer with my 338RUM, Really guys I didn't feel the least bit under gunned. Anyway, both were shot with 250 grain core-lokts, one at about 25+ yds and the other at about 450 yds and neither had hardly any meat damage. Course the close one was shot in the neck and the further one was through the vitals and had a complete pass through. I am a cheap skate when it comes to buying slugs and have tried to order the so called " premium bullets" but I can never seem to make my right index finger depress the enter button to finalize the deal. I hear all about how the less expensive bullets have failed some poor schmuck of a hunter but have never seen this with my own peepers, soooo I guess until I have tangible proof I'll keep shooting the budget stuff. Dennis Life member NRA | |||
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The cost of bullets is immaterial. Spend $500-$1000 for the rifle, scope and mounts are another $300-$1,000. Shoot boxes of $0.10 bullets for fun and practice. Buy a box of premium bullets and practice with 45 of them right before the hunt and take the other 5 hunting. So it costs you an extra $25 the week before the hunt, skip a couple of restaurant lunches that week and you're even. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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luckyducker: There is some validity to spending the "big" bucks on premium bullets, espcially if really big, expensive game's on the menu, but with the cannons you're using, rolled up spitballs would work as well on deer! Nothing wrong with Core Lockts at all although even by Remington's own admission, they've thinned the jackets. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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FWIW........ (and in no way do I consider it to be a final verdict on the Accubond).....I have shot a grand total of one whitetail with the Accubond. A .284 140 gr. leaving at 3605 fps. Took the deer through the middle of the ribcage at 275 yards. A pencil-sized exit hole, zero blood trail and 100 yards later I found the deer by its white underbelly showing down in the brush. I was greatly disappointed at the lack of blood. Have since found that the 140 gr. TSX shoots tighter groups. Founder....the OTPG | |||
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I have had the 300 since early `00 and killed several deer with it,180 Partition factory load,150 partition at 3650,165 Sierra SBT at 3450,180 sierra SBT at 3375,180 CT BST at 3420,180 Hornady BTSP at 3450 and honestly cant tell the difference on how any of them performed. I only use the RUM on trophy hunts where meat is not a concern to me.but last year I shot an decent 8 pointer at 250 yards quarteering away that I hit a little bit far back and the Hornady broke it down but it was able to drag itself about 50 yards where I had to finish it off. if I am meat hunting,which I do,killing 12 does last year I take my Onedia Aero-Force or the 308 with 165 Sierra`s what I`m looking for is a bullet I can reach the vitals with from any angle but still expand on broadside shots.I figured the 200 would be the ticket,maybe move up to the 220 or 240 MK`s?? SPEED KILLS | |||
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or maybe this Wisconsin deer hunter's special  /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I'm with Jorge on this one. Use a heavily constructed bullet to avoid excess tissue damage. An aquaintance once shot a mulie broadside with a 300 H&H and darn near bloodshot the whole side of the animal. Try a .243 instead. "I ask, sir, what is the Militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them" - George Mason, co-author of the Second Amendment during the Virginia convention to ratify the Constitution | |||
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Hell yes! | |||
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You're kiddin' right? Man let's not start that again!  | |||
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I believe the 200 gr GK will work great for dear, so would the 165 gr. and 180 gr versions. Another excellent deer bullet is the Nosler BT - I'd use the 165 gr or 180 gr. The NBT and GK are amoung the most accurate hunting bullets going and more than adequate for deer-sized game. With the money saved you can buy some more heavily constructed bullets for use in Africa or for the BIG bears in Alaska. Hence, I'd go for accuracy and less expense. Happy hunting, AIU | |||
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Darn you VAPODOG---you got that picture of me just as I left my hunting stand on the shores of Lake Wissota didn't you!! | |||
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The 180gr ballistic tip has done a great job out of the 300ultramag,when I shot deer on an elk hunt. | |||
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It was up there north and east of Chippewa Falls IIRC....was that you????? /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Where'd a Nebraska boy get the picture of a Pennsylvania varmint rig??? Whitetails need a bit more penetration than what that'll give you. We use these when hunting the river bottoms.  Founder....the OTPG | |||
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Way to many hunters use the killing of only one animal as their guide to bullet preformance. They have a good or bad experance on one critter and make up their mind about how a bullet preforms. When some one has shot dozens of the same type size of game with the same bullet and apox. the same vel one can or should beable to come to some thoughts on how they preform on that type of game. Stange things can happen to bullets on the way to game I seen some very strange things. On this forum I read about the so called failure of one or more of most bullets made from the so called king of big game bullets the Nosler partition and Barnes X bullets to the so called worse of worse the serria MK's. The truth lies some were in between. Most bullets kill game just fine 99% of the time. It just when someone has a problem is we tend to hear about it. Then they do not want listen to reason beacuse that one time it did not work. But 99 other times it work just fine. I do not complain about what others use in their guns or on their game unless it would personly effect me IE my guide wanting to use a 223 to back me up on big bears ect, I most likely would have 2nd thoughts about him. Other wise I could care less. | |||
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Been a little slow in Pennsylvania eh?... this slow?  /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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FWIW, my experience has been that lightly constructed bullets at high speed are grenades on deer size game. I shot a deer with a 200gr Ballistic tip at warp 3 out of a 330 Dakota. The impact was impressive but the foot and a half bloodshot area didn't leave as much to eat as I would have liked. For me premium bullets are almost always worth it except for maybe varmints. They will hold together long enough to reach the vitals of the big stuff and won't explode and ruin too much meat on the smaller stuff. Plus the Accubonds shoot superbly for me in several different rifles, including the 300 RUM:  ...............................DJ ....Remember that this is all supposed to be for fun!.................. | |||
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Hey........just because we Keystoners use enough gun doesn't mean were compensating for any other......errr........ummmm.....shortcomings.  Founder....the OTPG | |||
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Has Mr. Big left the building? If you're still here, let me invite you to try one of the flatest shooting, hardest hitting, premium bullets carts of late... the WCF .25-35 117 gr. jacketed bullet @ 2200 fps.  When I say, "of late," I of course mean late 19th century! Still, over 110 years later, it will kill the biggest whitetail stone dead, provided, as you put it, you hit the vitals. Might even be more fun than the 300 rummy! Why not give it a go?  friar Our liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain. | |||
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Sheesh guys, since when did Whitetails grow up into Tiger Tanks? I haven't used a .30-06 on North American deer since 1983, using antiques and little things like 7x57mm, 7mm-08, 6.5x54mm, .260 Rem and 6.5x55mm, and ya know what? They give one shot kills too, with or without Accubonds or Partitions. LLS | |||
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Hell, and I was buying Accubonds because they were cheap! 180 gr Barnes Triple Shock on 5x5 Elk going in  going out  Not any meat damage, down on the spot. ____________________________________ There are those who would misteach us that to stick in a rut is consistency - and a virtue, and that to climb out of the rut is inconsistency - and a vice. - Mark Twain | Chinese Proverb: When someone shares something of value with you and you benefit from it, you have a moral obligation to share it with others. ___________________________________ | |||
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TSX bullets are the only way to go, there is still plenty to eat after the shot. | |||
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Sheesh, guys! I've been happy with loads that only churn out of the barrel at 2400-2700 fps (3100 in the .270) I think you are going a little overboard with high velocity rounds, how much meat are you wasting as a result of that ballistic shock? LLS | |||
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My concern with using hyper velocity rounds on deer is that of the bullet fragmenting to one extent or other,, putting small pieces of lead through the meat. I shot a red deer with a 300 win mag and 150 grain soft points at about 60 yards some years back, A few nights later while eating the deer my mother got a small piece of lead stuck between her teeth!! That sure makes those solid copper barnes TSX's look like a good safe option to me, for that reason alone or the use of something going slower. | |||
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I have to say this last March, I shot two large hogs and two Axis deer with a Sako 338 WM Winchester Ballistic Silver Tips 200gr. and there was absolutely no excess meat damage. All were shot no closer than 100 yds and no farther that 175 yds. I also have to say they were dead on the hoof. I could tell this by the way they fell. So now all I will hunt with is my new Sako 375 and I am going to learn this rifle very well; unless there is a Hunter 85 375 cal that becomes available and I like it better than the Hunter 75 375. Before I used a Remmy 308 that I had "tuned". But I have Alaskan and African plans soon and I prefer to know one rifle well and am tired of "tuning" the rifles whereas Sako's quality already equal any Remmys I had "tuned". ~F | |||
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Of course you don't NEED a premium bullet for whitetail deer! But why not use them anyway? I love to experiment with what's new on the reloading bullet market. I took the first box of interbond bullets I could get, ran them through some water filled milk jugs. The expansion and retained weight were excellent. interbond/accubond tests Since the requirement was for 200 grainers, I can't say try the interbond. BUT with 87% weight retention, you could go with the 180 interbond, it would be like shooting a 200 grainer that would only retain 65% of it's starting weight. And have a higher BC to boot! if you run, you just die tired It's not that life is so short, it's that death is sooo long! Speak kindly to me, beloved master. Revel in my unconditional love, and give me every minute that you can spare, for my time with you is short. Your faithful dog | |||
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AS long as you can make a perfect broad side shot ANY bullet will work. However if you might need to make a raking shot a premium bullet is the way to go. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Normally I theorize "screw the premiums for deer sized game", but I really like accubonds and they seem reasonably priced. I just wish they made them a bit bigger than 100 gns in .257. I find that most 7mm and up BT's are plenty tough for deer at 06 velocities, might make a mess from an RUM though.  | |||
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I killed a Texas whitetail deer last year ~150 yards, quartering away left to right. I load a 150g Accubond w/ 51.4g IMR4064 in a .30-06 Rem. 700ADL, so it's around 2900fps. It's accurate, but I don't really need that bullet or speed to kill a Texas-sized whitetail. This year, I'm loading Winchester 150g flatnose Speer bullets--the same thing I put in my .30-30. Believe it or not, they group the same out of my rifle and cost a lot less. At the ranges I hunt, a premium bullet and high-velocity are just overkill. "The dog is a gentleman; I hope to go to his heaven, not man's." Mark Twain | |||
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I shot two mule deer does last year in Wyo using a 270 wby and sierra 130 gr spbt at about 3200 fps, one at about 100 yds and the other at about 175 yrds and the exit hole was only about the size of a silver dollar. I just about use sierra bullets exclusively aand so far never had a problem in the last 34 years. Rad NRA Benefactor Member | |||
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