I suppose this is possibly old news by now? I just received the newsletter.

Barnes will be adding plastic tips to their standard TSX now.

TTSX

It's not old news to me, Thanks

Hmmm..... a reply to Nosler's offering? Their competition with each other is a win-win situation for us!

Well, I'm sure I had nothing to do with it but I've been emailing Ty for years about adding the plastic tip to the TSX....ever since it came out.

Afterall, they offer hollow point muzzleloading bullets and the same bullet with a tip.

Anyway, I wonder what the price will be.

That new TTSX 210.338cal, seems just the Ticket for .338/06

Seems Nosler is producing own type monometal.. E-tip

This could be a much needed improvement to the BC's for their TSX bullets.

Dan

I agree, even though I have had no problems killing animals with these bullets beyond 300 yards.

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Originally posted by Doc:
I agree, even though I have had no problems killing animals with these bullets beyond 300 yards.

Yep, How much BC do you need under 300 yards?

It'll be a little while before they come out in 375 caliber but I'll have to try them out before I shoot up the three boxes of the "old" TSX bullets that my gun loves.

Could it be that they are having trouble selling the MRX at the low price of $1 + for each bullet?

Etiher that or the TSX has expansion problems. They have worked well for me but I have read a lot of complaints also.

I've had not one problem with plain jane TSX.

But, I'm also the guy that would shoot a Btip on any deer too. Never ever had even questionable performance on those either.

Weird.

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Hmmm..... a reply to Nosler's offering? Their competition with each other is a win-win situation for us!

I think the Nosler E-Tip was in response to the Barnes bullets.

I think the TTSX is a response by Barnes to imporve an already great product by increasing BC and help with expansion issues, perceived or real.

Barnes should have come out with the TTSX and scrapped the MRX all together. The MRX is just too costly/complicated to produce.

But at least they keep improving their product. I honestly don't know where they can go from here. Maybe have true driving bands? If there aren't patent issues.

I was just about to place a big restocking order for TSX's when I heard the news about the TTSX's. I will now wait and restock with TTSX's as I have enough to get through this hunting season.

My reloading bench is fairly simple, Hornady Interlocks for practice, Barnes for hunting, and Nosler Partitions if an overall shorter premium bullet is needed.

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Originally posted by Dwight:
Etiher that or the TSX has expansion problems. They have worked well for me but I have read a lot of complaints also.

Barnes are saying the tip is in ADDITION to a re-designed cavity..............?

No one using the 375 caliber TSX's and up seems to have problems with intial set up of the bullet....because the hollowpoint is substantially larger.

The TSSX might be a step in the right direction to correct this problem.......

The new Barnes bullets are for long range performance.

Let me start by sdaying that I am not a Barnes X freek.

On our Oct/Nov 2006 Safari to Zim my wife was going to use a Blaser R 93 in 308 for plains game with the Federal factory 165 gr Trophy Bonded Bearclaw bullet. We have found this load to be excellent.

A few days before our trip I was at Heritage Arms in Salt Lake City. Aleko had some Federal factory loads with the 180gr Barnes MRX in 308 on the shelf.

I bought a few boxes.

Two days before we were to fly put I tested my wifes zero with the 165TB's and found it to be perfect, I shot some of the 180 Barnes MRX bullets just for fun, and discovered that they hit the same place at 100 yards as the 165 gr TB bullets and shot smaller groups as well.

So I took some to Zimbabwe.

When the PH saw them with the plastic tip he had a wallyed fit, until I assured him they were X Bullets, not Ballistic Tips.

My wife killed 2 kudu with them, brain shot a giraffe, and I killed a bushbuck with them with excellent results.

We switched to the 165 TB's after that as I wanted to give them a test. She took zebra and wildebest, with excellent results.

We did recover one MRX on a kudu shot at about 100 yards frontal chest, performance was perfect.

I think the MRX just might be the best X bullet Barnes has made.

Remember I am not an X bullet freek, but the plastic tip allows the X bullet to have a BIG hollowpoint, with a sharp [ie high BC] point.

On impact the plastic point gets pushed out of the way leaving a large HP that causes good expansion.

This may be the bullet for my 1st rifle elk next year. The 168 TTSX should be great out of the 300WM at around 3100-3200 fps.

They 140s in .284 out of a 7RM @ around 3200-3300 fps would make a heck of a long range mulie/whitetail load.

I tried some of the TSXs and they shot well but, I've never used them on game. The few horror stories of them penciling turned me away but, this new tipped version could be the ticket.

Reloader

Lets all bow towards Barnes, which direction from WI do I bow? As for that lets not forget a bow towards nosler while we're at it.

Is everybody brain washed to believe animals we hunt have somehow been armor plated or are wearing Kevlar?

Sorry, but I don't see the need to shoot monometal bullets at anything. The interbond is all I will ever shoot as a premium bullet.

Besides, as I said before, they're cutting our throats on the lead ban for bullets issue. If you think the anti's aren't planning on introducing such legislation, then remember when we could use lead in shotguns for waterfowl.

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Lets all bow towards Barnes, which direction from WI do I bow? As for that lets not forget a bow towards nosler while we're at it.

And your point is?
You are in to hero worship?

Use whatever you like, nobody is forcing you to use monometals bullets....YET. But the trend is going to be non toxic bullets.

I have gone through a tremendous amount of plain old lead cup and core bullets. I prefer the Barnes right now, as they do a great job on paper and in the field.

Plus they do not waste as much meat. That is a huge IMO. I reached that conclusion from processing hundreds of critters over the last 30 or so years. They leave a nice entry/exit hole and destroy everything in between.

Use what you like, like what you use, but put the bullet in the right spot.

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Lets all bow towards Barnes, which direction from WI do I bow? As for that lets not forget a bow towards nosler while we're at it.



And your point is?
You are in to hero worship?

No not me, I don't buy into the hype, but a lot here, and on other forums, do. Just keep your heads in the sand until the lead ban takes place. Keep buying the monolithic bullets, helping it along.

For my $0.02 I am guessing that the MRX is dead once the TTSX comes out and becomes a keeper (I may retire the three boxes (60 bullets) of MRX on my reloading bench) Why waste time on them now? It will then be Barnes/Nosler head to head to market the "lead free" bullet that will be required in California first and then move east.

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No not me, I don't buy into the hype,

What hype, they perform just like they claim to. Excellent accuracy and they penetrate like no tomorrow. You can go down in bullet weight to reduce recoil and flatten trajectory if you want. Picking nose hairs? definitely, but I feel they are worth it.

Bad part is expense.

Are they needed? Probably not 95% of the time from a practical get the job done viewpoint.

For me they are needed 100% of the time. They don't make a mess out of the venison. Since I am the one processing that mess, that is what counts.

Shoot what you like, like what you shoot, but hit what you are shooting at.

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For my $0.02 I am guessing that the MRX is dead once the TTSX comes out

Muy,
Barnes should have never come out with the MRX in the first place. But live and learn, you can't flop if you don't try. The TTSX's and Nosler E-Tips will become the bullets of the future. I imagine Hornady and the other big makers will jump in at some point.

Remember lead based paint, shot etc....

I have had no problem with the TSX but apparently there was enough penciling complaints to warrant the plastic tip. I will try some when my others get shot up which could be a while.

grizz,

You'll be glad of all this R&D into monometal bullets when lead in ammo is outlawed..

You might think it will never happen, but its already underway in one of the Scandinavian countries...

The Greenies/Anti's have mananged to get lead shot banned and they see banning lead bullets as another way to attack hunters..

Regards,

Pete

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Originally posted by Pete E:
grizz,

You'll be glad of all this R&D into monometal bullets when lead in ammo is outlawed..

You might think it will never happen, but its already underway in one of the Scandinavian countries...

The Greenies/Anti's have mananged to get lead shot banned and they see banning lead bullets as another way to attack hunters..

Regards,

Pete

Pete, I know it's coming. What I'm saying is we are helping it along by gladly accepting the lead-free bullets.

If we banded together and said keep your damn all-copper bullets, maybe we could wake up the politicians that we're not gonna take it no more.

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For me they are needed 100% of the time. They don't make a mess out of the venison. Since I am the one processing that mess, that is what counts.

That's why I switched to the interbond. It does not have any shrapnel to cause bloodshot meat. Weight retention in the high 80's means less lead in the meat as well. That extra weight means deep penetration as well

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Use whatever you like, nobody is forcing you to use monometals bullets....YET. But the trend is going to be non toxic bullets.

Right. Lets all be good little hunters and do what big brother tells us is best for us. But, thanks, I will use what I find best. And it won't be Barnes or Nosler bullets.

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Remember I am not an X bullet freek, but the plastic tip allows the X bullet to have a BIG hollowpoint, with a sharp [ie high BC] point.

On impact the plastic point gets pushed out of the way leaving a large HP that causes good expansion.

I don't know if and when the ban will take place even on regular hunting bullets, but if anyone truly believes it will happen, then on an economics standpoint, and your own wallet, it would probably behoove all of us to stock up now.

Why?

Well, because supply=demand. And if I was a bullet maker: Nosler/Barnes, like any other business, I'd jack my prices up for my monometal bullets to increase my own profits to a degree. Because I can. And the new laws, if they take place, will ensure that shooters MUST buy my product.

And nobody can say that they have the time based experience with monometal bullets as well as Barnes IMO, in terms of hunting bullets.

I've been telling Ty, at Barnes, for years that they need a pretty plastic tip on their bullets, especially when the tsx came out. And I'm not the only one. They at least listen to their supporters.

I don't think a tsx is necessary for most game either, but you know what, I like them, and it's my money. I never bought into any hype, and I don't think most of us do. My guess is many of you simply enjoy trying new stuff regardless of past successes with other tried and true bullets. That's my position anyway.

I love new stuff.

Lead is a funny political issue. Whether I buy lead fishing sinkers in Alaska or Florida they warn me that it causes cancer in California. Glad I am not a Californian. Everything causes cancer there.