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300 Savage, bullet choice/cow elk
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A friend drew a cow elk tag (aprox. 400 lb. animal) and will be shooting a Savage 99, 300 Savage, with a 24" barrel. Bullets available are Hornady 165g interlok SP (2600 fps) or Hornady 180g interlok SP (2400 fps). Most animals on this hunt have been taken at between 150-275 yards. My concern is that the 180g at below 2400 fps might not expand very well. Which one of these two bullets would you choose?
 
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Either one will be fine...the hornday will expand at either of those velocities.

Personally, I go with the 165s


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I agree with Mike: The 165 grainer will do nicely on a cow elk at .300 Savage velocity.


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+3 - I agree with Mike & Bobby, use the 165's.


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I'm a born again believer in heavy for calibre. use the 180. The trajectory isn't gonna be that much difference.
 
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Thank you all for the comments. I tend to prefer the 165g myself, but Stillbeeman has a good point. With a fairly large animal the extra weight/bullet inertia does make sense. But, as Mike says "either one will be fine". Now it's up to my friend to decide and load up some ammo. The hunt is only 3 weeks away. Thanks again..

Jon
 
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He'll be fine with the Hornady's. However, a Nosler Partition 165 would provide a little more peace of mind. That's what I would choose if I were using either a .308 or .300 Sav for elk.
 
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What Mike said,
In my 99 Savage it shoots some older 165 grain Speer Grand slams very well and velocity is okay around 2600 fps. the problem with the 300 Savage is the short neck. I don't like to use boatails as I think they don't seat as well/solid due to the reduced bearing surface. I use the Lee Factory Crimp die just to be sure. Flat base Remington, Winchester, Barnes or a Nosler Partition will work too in the 150 or 165 grain weight. Any of these bullet in the boiler room will work. Don't try to stretch the Savage into to a long range cartridge and be careful not to hot-rod it. It will let you know by kicking the lever open ever so gently....a little bird told me that Wink
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