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Alright Guys, I said I would never own a 30-06 becuase they are the Jack of all Trades and Master of None . And then I said...if I ever get 30-06 I will never reload for it... But so I buy this pre-64 FWT Model 70 in 06 and take it to the range...and geez its an honest MOA (average of 5 3 hot groups .95") gun with Hornady factory ammo... Then of course being the knucklehead that I am I say...well gosh...if it does that with factory ammo...what can I get if I reload... So who has a favorite 06 180 grn accuracy with either Varget or H4350 I think I need counselling... Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | ||
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Your specific rifle was far ahead of it's time when it was sold in 1955 or so. The combination of outstanding power, fine construction and pride of ownership are still in full force. Each gun is different. I would start with 4350 powder and any bullet from 150 and up. The 30-06 is the king of all sporting cartridges and my favorite. Join the NRA | |||
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That being said I wouldn't bother reloading for it. But this is coming from a guy who hasn't killed a head of big game with a factory round in over 30 years. | |||
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It has been a while but the way I remember it Imr 4320, about 53 grains with a 150 grain bullet will duplicate factory velocity and give you pretty good groups. | |||
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I have not used 4350 in mine, IMR4064works well with lighter weight bullets and H 4831 SC about 61 or 62 gr behind 180 gr bullets work great for me. That gives me about 2750 fps. Good luck and let us know if you find a good 4350 load. Although cartridge selection is important there is nothing that will substitute for proper first shot placement. Good hunting, "D" | |||
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180 gr TSX 56 gr IMR 4350 (1 grain over book max) Fed 215M primer better load: 168 gr TSX 59 gr IMR 4831 (1 grain over book max) Fed 215M primer these work best in my gun with no pressure signs, I would recommend you start at book max 1 grain lower than above and work up looking for signs in your gun. Without guns we are subjects, with guns we are citizens ____________________________________ There are those who would misteach us that to stick in a rut is consistency - and a virtue, and that to climb out of the rut is inconsistency - and a vice. - Mark Twain | Chinese Proverb: When someone shares something of value with you and you benefit from it, you have a moral obligation to share it with others. ___________________________________ | |||
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woods...thanks Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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56 gr of AR2209 (4350) behind the speer 180 gr Round Nose, it slams stuf very well. | |||
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55.8 gr of IMR4350 and 165 gr Hornady Interbond. | |||
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What in the world do you want with that Ho Hum 30-06? Why if you are luky you might get 75% of your money back if you sell it fast.Why I might even be willing to help you out. roger Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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30/06s love the old stand by military powder IMR-4895 and IMR-4064. I used 42.6 grains IMR 4064 with a 165 grain ballistic tip, Remington case, Federal 210 primer for .500 groups. | |||
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Appears to be catching! I've just bought a 30-06 for the action and find myself ordering dies, cases and bullets to shoot it and not change it..... | |||
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God that's a light load in 30-06. Are you sure that you weren't thinkin of 308 when you posted this load? | |||
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My 30-06 likes H414 -- in fact, it gives the best results I've achieved in this particular rifle. H 414 with the 180 gr Hornady Interlock flat base spire point gave me a 3-shot 100 yard group that measured 0.28 inch. "How's that whole 'hopey-changey' thing working out for ya?" | |||
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Mike, there are better powders available now - why not use them. Here are some doable loads for 180 gr. NBT in a std. 30-06 with 24" barrel. Staying at 65,000 psi or less would be safe. All these would be tap-in + compression loads - but all within reason. The std '06 is underloaded and, thus, underrated. It's a great cartridge, when loaded to the same pressures as the latest-and-greatest "magnums." The manufacturers need to sell guns - new guns - to stay in business. Try some of these powders and work-up to these loads. These powders can be extremely accurate as well. Regards, AIU Re25/120.5% case fill/66.6g/2979/65000 N560/111.5% case fill/64.6g/2967/65000 MAGPRO/114.5% case fill/67.4g/2954/65000 Re22/114.3% case fill/64.2g/2953/65000 WXR/113.0% case fill/64.5g /2952/65000 I7828SSC/111.8% case fill/63.7g/2936/65000 H4831SC/112.1% case fill/64.3g/2890/65000 If you don't want to tap and compress too much, I'd try the IMR7828ssc and VVn560. I've used Re25 - it's absolutely super in my '06AI getting 3100 fps with 180 NBT at ~65,000 psi with a 26" barrel. | |||
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You mention Varget -- I would not recommend that powder for use in the 30-06. It did give me very good accuracy with 150 grain bullets, but top velocities with max loads of it were about 200 f.p.s. less than what I got with some other powders, such as H414, H4350, and IMR4350. "How's that whole 'hopey-changey' thing working out for ya?" | |||
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I'm using Hornady 180 interlocks and H-414 56 grains. It gives my 22" barrel 2,800+'/sec and the groups are excellent....roughly an inch at 100 yards. WARNING...this is two grains over Hodgdon's max load listed. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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54.0 H4350---180 Barnes TSX max IMR4064---180 Speer Spitzer 60.5 Re22---180 part. Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns | |||
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Winchester case, CCI 200 primer, Hornady 180 gn. SP Interlock bullet, 56 grains H4350 powder. | |||
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58 grains of AA4350 behind a 165 grain GS and lit with a CCi 200 was a one-hole load out of a five-groove Eddystone. I never shot 180s, figured the 165 was a bit flatter and would shoot a bit faster, allowing for a tad longer shot with the same energy. I have a 721 coming, will load some 180s and see what they do. | |||
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Those were impressive data. I've been using Norma MRP myself to "tap and compress" my '06 loads way over normsa recommended loads without getting pressure signs, but haven't dared going this high (re. your Re22 load) Are those Quickload data? I would love to see a 65.000 psi prediction with MRP.. regards, beefeater | |||
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I think this is a mistake. The 30-06 is, in fact, master of something: It is the one rifle that is Master of Doing Everything. It will handle the largest range of bullet weights well -- from 110 to 220 grains. It will perform well with the largest variety of powders. For anything between small varmints and the Big Four (elephant, rhino, buffalo, lion), it is never a bad choice, and it has, in fact, even dispatched its fair share of varmints and the Big Four (or Big Six if you include moose and Kodiak bear). More than any other single caliber, it will Get The Job Done in every situation where a rifle is needed. Moreover, it's not so high in blast and kick that it cannot be handled well by almost every adult shooter. Rather than King of Compromise, it would better be called King of Versatility. "How's that whole 'hopey-changey' thing working out for ya?" | |||
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mike try H 4350 with a FED 210 primer behind a 180 gn nosler....and just work your way up till you hit a velocity with this powder of about 2810 fps in your 06 ...you will most likley get good accuracey and pressure is still well under 65,000 psi ...in my winchester i do this with 58 gns of h 4350 with R22 work your way up till you hit 2850 fps and you will still be well under 65,000 psi we hit that on the pressure gun with 63 gns of R22 in a 24 inch tube also with a FED 210 primer regards daniel | |||
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PC, NAsh, Kalbrecht, Doubless, Doc, M98... Thanks for the info... Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Ditto. NRA Life Member, Band of Bubbas Charter Member, PGCA, DRSS. Shoot & hunt with vintage classics. | |||
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