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I have several Redding FL Type S Bushing dies. My latest purchase was for my 30-06.

When sizing some once fired 30-06 brass I noticed little or no resistance until the neck came in contact with the bushing. At this point I could feel resistance and the bushing doing it's job.

I measured a once fired case just above the web and then resized it. They both measured exactly the same, no change.

I removed the bushing, expander button, decapping rod and took the die out of the press. I turned the die upside down and inserted a lubed once fired case. The once fired case pretty much just fell into the case. I had to put a slight amount of pressure with my thumb to push it completely in. I could remove the brass with my finger tips.

I then resized this brass with my old RCBS FL Die. Plenty of resistance and the brass was reduced by .002 at the same point.

I contacted Redding and this was their response.

"Thank you for using Redding Reloading Equipment. I checked a Type S FL and a body die with a 30-06 fired case. (They’re machined with the same reamer.) When dropped into the dies, the fired case stuck out of both approximately ½â€. Our sizing dies are about .003†smaller at the base than the SAAMI minimum spec."

It seems to me that this Redding FL Die is either a "Neck Die" that is mismarked or the RCBS Die is set to reduce the brass by .005 smaller than SAAMI specs.

What do you all think? And, yes the Redding
sized brass does fit in my rifle as does the brass before resizing.

Thanks
 
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I think the idea is to size the brass as little as possible?? I think the biggest benefit to the die you are using is that you can adjust the neck tension to exactly what you want. I just ordered that exact same die today, I changed my order because the FL die is supposed to have the ability to neck size only if necessary, so by getting the FL die I get a die that can FL and or neck size only I hope this is true at least thats what my midway catalog says. Ideally I want to only partially FL size and get exact consistant neck tension


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Me thinks you need to put more powder in the case next time. Is this a factory chamber? If so, the die, if adjusted properly in the press, should size the brass. That is unless you don't have much pressure in your reloads and the brass isn't expanding much. I find the type S die one of the finest factory sizing dies available.
 
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Me thinks you need to put more powder in the case next time. Is this a factory chamber? If so, the die, if adjusted properly in the press, should size the brass. That is unless you don't have much pressure in your reloads and the brass isn't expanding much. I find the type S die one of the finest factory sizing dies available.


The previous load was 61gr of Hunter/165gr Partition a max load in my Rem 700.

I also have a portion of the neck that does not come in contact with the bushing leaving a slight bulge about 1/8in long between the shoulder and the start of the neck. No matter what size bushing or how I adjust the bushing I get this bulge. I do not have this problem with any of my other Redding Bushing" dies.
 
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You may have a mis-marked die then. It sure sounds like it's a neck die. Are your loaded rounds getting tougher to chamber?
 
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You may have a mis-marked die then. It sure sounds like it's a neck die. Are your loaded rounds getting tougher to chamber?


No not yet. I haven't even loaded any rounds with this new die yet.
 
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I told Lee that their 7.62x25mm sizing die is larger than a CZ52 chamber.

They told me that it is not a form die, it is a sizing die [go to hell].

Anyway,
Does the brass get smaller with other 30-06 dies?

Do you have a set of pin gauges?
 
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Sometimes, with the Redding Type-S F.L. dies, the bushing interferes with the upwards travel of the case, especially if one tightens the screw that holds the bushing in tightly. Relax the screw that holds the bushing in, just a tad, allowing the bushing a little vertical play. It might work.


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Good idea to check that. The last thing the guy at Sinclair told me was to make sure I could shake the die and hear the bushing rattle slightly.
 
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Our sizing dies are about .003†smaller at the base than the SAAMI minimum spec


Which minimum spec... The chamber spec or the cartridge spec?
 
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Originally posted by steve4102:
I have several Redding FL Type S Bushing dies. My latest purchase was for my 30-06.

When sizing some once fired 30-06 brass I noticed little or no resistance until the neck came in contact with the bushing. At this point I could feel resistance and the bushing doing it's job.

I measured a once fired case just above the web and then resized it. They both measured exactly the same, no change.

I removed the bushing, expander button, decapping rod and took the die out of the press. I turned the die upside down and inserted a lubed once fired case. The once fired case pretty much just fell into the case. I had to put a slight amount of pressure with my thumb to push it completely in. I could remove the brass with my finger tips.

I then resized this brass with my old RCBS FL Die. Plenty of resistance and the brass was reduced by .002 at the same point.

I contacted Redding and this was their response.

"Thank you for using Redding Reloading Equipment. I checked a Type S FL and a body die with a 30-06 fired case. (They’re machined with the same reamer.) When dropped into the dies, the fired case stuck out of both approximately ½â€. Our sizing dies are about .003†smaller at the base than the SAAMI minimum spec."

It seems to me that this Redding FL Die is either a "Neck Die" that is mismarked or the RCBS Die is set to reduce the brass by .005 smaller than SAAMI specs.

What do you all think? And, yes the Redding
sized brass does fit in my rifle as does the brass before resizing.

Thanks
My guess is your rifle has a tight chamber. Just keep loading and firing your brass. If you do have a mismarked neck die(not likly), soon or later your loaded rounds will not chamber. Then you will know.
 
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On the bushing dies there's always going to be a little area they aren't going to size at that neck/shoulder junction, because the bushing has a slight radius to start the case mouth easily and that the bushing is suppose to have a little bit of slack, not screwed down tight, so that is can be free to align itself with the case mouth.

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Originally posted by 243winxb: My guess is your rifle has a tight chamber. Just keep loading and firing your brass. If you do have a mismarked neck die(not likly), soon or later your loaded rounds will not chamber. Then you will know.


Thanks, Thats what I figured I would do.
 
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