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Dangerous Question
10 October 2006, 06:55
RugerNinerDangerous Question
I was reloading some .270 and was spilling a little of the IMR 4350 when ever I went to put it in the case using my nifty scoop/funnel thingy after weighing the powder.
Each time there would be that long extruded powder somewhere near the scale.
After loading 10 rounds and seating the bullet at the right length plus crimping the round I decided to do a little investigation into why the powder is acting like Mexican Jumping Beans.
Found the PROBLEM.
Now if there was just someway I could plug up that little hole in the bottom of the cases I would no longer have gunpowder all over my bench!
Now here is my Question.Would you attempt to place a Primer in the Case withe the Powder and Bullet already in the Case?
I'm still new to reloading.

10 October 2006, 07:03
Ol` JoeNO!
I don`t think you would have any problems, but the one time a primer decides to pop when in the press would be the time it was going in a loaded case. I`d pull the bullets and start over.
Sorry..

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10 October 2006, 07:05
JMJ888quote:
Now if there was just someway I could plug up that little hole in the bottom of the cases I would no longer have gunpowder all over my bench!
That is like changing your oil and forgetting to put the drain plug back in before pouring the new oil in. I have only done that once.
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Would you attempt to place a Primer in the Case withe the Powder and Bullet already in the Case?
No...I would yank the bullets and start over. If only a little powder fell out then you will get erratic performance but if a lot fell out you risk the bullet not leaving the barrel all together...granted thats the worst case. Yank the bullets...if anything the act of having to pull the bullets will remind you to use primers next time. A mistake is only bad if you don't learn anything from it.
Been there, done that.
Pete
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10 October 2006, 13:49
mhoquote:
Originally posted by PJ:
Been there, done that.
Pete
Yup, you are not the first, and you won't be the last. Pull the bullets, empty powder, prime and start over again.
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10 October 2006, 16:02
jeffeossoquote:
Originally posted by RugerNiner:
nifty scoop/funnel thingy after weighing the powder.
Now here is my Question.Would you attempt to place a Primer in the Case withe the Powder and Bullet already in the Case?
I'm still new to reloading.
Not unless I had already written a note leaving my belongs to those I loved
jeffe
10 October 2006, 16:14
GarByNO!!!! Is that clear enough? Is it worth the possibility of changing your screen name to Stumpy???....I thought not. Now go bang your head on a rock and repeat..."don't do it again" 3 times...and pull the bullets, dump the powder and start over.

Gary
10 October 2006, 16:20
arkypeteHaving done that on several occasions, seems that I need to do it with each new caliber that I set up reloading for.
What I do is...after I seat the primer I put the case, neck down, primer up in the loading tray. Then as I turn the cases over I rub my finger across the base of the case to check for a high primer.
Jim
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10 October 2006, 17:19
30378The title of your post "Dangerous Question" tells me you recognize the safety factors. Do not take the risk that YOU ARE aware of.
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10 October 2006, 17:34
bfrshooterPut a small tab of masking tape on the back of the case when you pull the bullets to keep more from jumping out if you use an inertia puller.
10 October 2006, 19:12
CDHSpeaking from experience...I've had a live round detonate when it was near my face and not in the chamber. It's loud, and schrapnel from the brass case flies pretty hard. Think 1" piece embedded in drywall and ears ringing for days.
Don't chance it. A primer blowing in an empty case is loud, but contained and funneled away. A primer in a sealed, powder filled case is a small pipe bomb.
I'm with the rest...don't do it. Pull 'em and start over.
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10 October 2006, 19:32
MarkLike the others, welcome to the club!
I don't know if I've ever charged an unprimered case or not, I've forgotten so many screw ups I've done in the past they aren't important any more. What is important is you learn from it and move on.
I've only had 1 primer ever go off on me but one is enough (for the record I was reloading some ex military brass in my dillon and had not fully removed the crimp on one. The primer cocked sideways a bit and popped off)
If you do not have a bullet puller use a pair of wire cutters. Remove the die from your press and run the cartridge all up, grab the bullet right at the case mouth with the wire cutters and lower the cartridge back down. You will be able to pull all 10 bullets in less time than it took you to post the question. If you have some end nippers they work even better than cutters for grabbing the bullet. You can reuse the bullet too, just not for benchrest matches but other than that they work just fine.
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10 October 2006, 19:55
RugerNiner Mark ,
Thanks for the advice on pulling the bullet.
I don't have a bullet puller and was going to use linemens pliers.
I don't know if I can use the bullets over again since I crimped them and they have a cannulure on them also.
10 October 2006, 20:14
bartschequote:
Originally posted by RugerNiner:
Mark ,
Thanks for the advice on pulling the bullet.
I don't have a bullet puller and was going to use linemens pliers.
I don't know if I can use the bullets over again since I crimped them and they have a cannulure on them also.
Mark, You eventually will get a bullet puller if you reload for any length of time. Spend the $12.00 and get one now and save your bullets to be used another day.

roger
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11 October 2006, 01:09
Duckearquote:
Originally posted by bartsche:
Mark, You eventually will get a bullet puller if you reload for any length of time. Spend the $12.00 and get one now and save your bullets to be used another day.
Bullet pullers do pay for themselves rather quickly, don't they?

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11 October 2006, 01:12
Dwightquote:
Originally posted by RugerNiner:
Mark ,
Thanks for the advice on pulling the bullet.
I don't have a bullet puller and was going to use linemens pliers.
I don't know if I can use the bullets over again since I crimped them and they have a cannulure on them also.
If you use a collet type puller that screws into your press you should not hurt the bullets at all. Good luck and create a system of doing things in stages. That will help safety and quality.
11 October 2006, 02:03
Bill McBuy the collet puller. It's much easier. I have one of those hammer things and would give it to anyone that I could hand it to in person.
Reasons not to try to prime loaded rounds.
1. what has already been said.
2. if you are dribbling powder out the flash hole, how accurate do you thing your reloads will be?
I did it once but noticed when I picked up the first round to seat the bullet (losing powder). So I dumped each round back into the hopper and started afresh.
I've also lost track on one batch and didn't resize. bullets just dropped into the cases.

Dumped the powder, knocked out the primers using a universal deprimer (carefully) and then, started afresh.

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11 October 2006, 03:04
MarkBartsche, Duckear, and Dwight-
I have an inertia puller, I just don't need to use it that much.
Perhaps if I did I'd have to get a collet puller like you guys!
Ruger9- Your linesman pliers should work fine. If the crimp is super tight you can loosen it a bit by pushing the bullets in a tiny bit to break the crimp, and then pulling them. You can do this by backing the crimp die off a turn and then run the seater plug in until it can push the bullet in a bit.
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11 October 2006, 03:14
tsturmBeen there & Done that

11 October 2006, 03:58
Dwightquote:
Originally posted by tsturm:
Been there & Done that
I was just up in your neck of the woods in July. If my wife ever finishes nursing school we may relocate to Soldotna. Do you know Wes Yamaoka?
11 October 2006, 07:29
jeffeossoRuger, not picking on you, just saying I feel priming a case is a HORRIBLE idea... and running brass at 90kspi WILLING makes pounding primers in seem like a great idea
quote:
Originally posted by RugerNiner:
Now here is my Question.Would you attempt to place a Primer in the Case withe the Powder and Bullet already in the Case?
I'm still new to reloading.
quote:
Originally posted by ScottS:
2.) The chamber pressure required to blow a primer in a 460 Weatherby case is WELL over 90,000 psi! The twist differential you provide WOULD NOT raise pressure from 65 ksi to that level, sorry to break it to you.
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