Would also like to know if it�s possible to use dies for the 6,5x57 Mauser to reload the 6,5x57R (of course with a different shell holder). It is common practice to do this with the 7x57R and the 7x57 Mauser.

K9

But the cartridge are developed for low pressure loads and that is what you should use in the Drilling.

I am loading my Sauer&Sohn with
Sierra 85gr Varmint for crows, fox and Beaver
100gr Nosler Ballistic tip for Roedeer (still not used on Roedeer)
Lapua (108gr)Scenar for Grouse and geese
160gr Hornady for moose (still not used on game)

Mostly I use the Norma MRP as powder
PerN

What brand is that drilling? If it�s a Sauer, Heym or Krieghoff: go for it! But if it�s a Merkel, take a really close look at all details, as they really vary in quality. Merkels also are extremely sensible for rust, and thus need very good care with oils and solvents.

I have got a Sauer 3000 in just 6,5x57R, and use 6,5x57 dies with a shellholder for rim cases. It works well. I load with Norma R204 and 156 gr. Alaska or old army round nose FMJ 156 gr - they have the same ballistics. You can use the datas for 6x5x55 when you are carefull - no max loads!

The old army RN FMJ do I take from old army cartridges in 6,5x55. They are excellent for woodcocks, capercaille and fox. Watch out for corroded bullets if you can get those old cartridges! For roe and moose I use the Alaska.

Ballistically the 6,5x57R is similar to the 6,5x55. For mixed hunting in Sweden it�s a good choice, and as factory ammo with legal loads for moose are not available, you get those nice drillings to very affordable prices. I bought my Sauer with claw mounted Zeiss 4x32 for about two thirds of the price for a 7x57R, for which you can get factory loads for moose.

Yours,

Fritz

The drilling is a West German Sauer & Sohn made in 1957. It�s in 16/70 & 6,5x57R and has a Greener safety. It�s in pretty good shape except for the stock which is severely cracked!! It has no scope on it and weighs ca 3,1 kg. The owner is asking 13500:- for it. I�m not sure if the price is really approproaite as I would probably have to replace the stock a.s.a.p. I�ll take it to the local gunsmith on Tuesday for evaluation.

Since I started this topic I�v gotten an offer on another Sauer & Sohn � a model 3000 in 16/70 & 7X57R. Its stock is in much better condition and it has a claw mounted Leupold 1.75-6. The price is 23000:- which is somewhere around where I would land if I monted a new scope on the other one (and was able to keep the stock). It�s only draw back is that it weighs ca 3,3-3,4 kg without a scope.

As I already have the equipment to load 7x57R I�m a little confused about which way to go�..

Cheers

K9

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Hej!!

The drilling is a West German Sauer & Sohn made in 1957. It�s in 16/70 & 6,5x57R and has a Greener safety. It�s in pretty good shape except for the stock which is severely cracked!! It has no scope on it and weighs ca 3,1 kg. The owner is asking 13500:- for it. I�m not sure if the price is really approproaite as I would probably have to replace the stock a.s.a.p. I�ll take it to the local gunsmith on Tuesday for evaluation.

K9

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It to high a price for a drilling without claw mounted scope and with a cracked stock. A new stock is about 5000SEK ($500) or more, scope and mount about 10 000 SEK ($1000), which would end in about 28 000 SEK ($2800).

I bought my 12/12/6,5x57R with claw mounted Zeiss for 18 000 Sek ($1800)at Mr Ryds gunshop near Joenkoeping. www.rydsvapen.se He has fair prices and have many interesting guns. Worth a contact, I think.

Keep cool - there are a lot of good drillings for sale.

Yours,

Fritz

When it comes to mount a scope on a drilling I can tell from own experience. If one uses the drilling for all forms of hunting one scope is not enough. Hunting roedeer driven by dogs takes low power and wide field, but the same deer taken when feeding after sunset takes high power and big objective lens. 30 years ago I bought a used Krieghoff drilling in 12/12/6,5x57R with a claw mounted low variable Leupold. Just two years after that I spent nearly as much money to add a Kahles 2-7. Now I have a need for a scope with still more lightgathering ability. Will I mount a third scope in claws on my drilling? No, and that is not only because of the cost, but because the claw mount is not as reliable as a standard mount. Maybe I just mount a Weaver one-piece steel base so I can use whatever scope I want.

If You choose cal.16 and are interested in some old Gyttorp boxes of hunting shells You can have them for a low price. I live just 15 minutes from Kalmar.

Goran

Both - 6.5 and 7x57R - were loaded with long round nosed bullets for big game, up to red deer. 160 grs for 6.5 and 175 grs for 7 mm.

Both will do at least for 200 yds. Sight in 4 cm high at 100 yds and You will be max 8 cm down at 200.

Let barrel cool down if You test groups!

And, yes Drillings are somewhat heavy. Therefore in Europe O/U combo guns are more popular.

Good shooting! H

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...not only because of the cost, but because the claw mount is not as reliable as a standard mount. Maybe I just mount a Weaver one-piece steel base so I can use whatever scope I want.

Goran

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Goran,

claw mounts are very reliable, if mounted by a competent gunsmith. Another good choice is the Apel swing mount for drillings. The latter allows you to use several scopes in the same bases. I think it would be possible to use upper bases for swing mount in the bottom bases of a former claw mount. Go to www.EAW.de and have a look at the swing mount.

If claw mounts are not worked properly, there will be a little play there, which decreases the accuracy. One cut to much with the file is detrimental! It�s also recommendable to choose a scope with a rail for fastening the mount instead of standard rings.

Are you sure that you would like weaver bases on your drilling? I�ve seen such mounts, and they are rather ugly. If you still want a permanent mount, I would recommend you Warne or Ruger base (Brownell has them) as they integrate pretty well in the rib. Another good choice is Talley.

Yours,

Fritz K.

[This message has been edited by Fritz Kraut (edited 10-01-2001).]