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A buddy just picked up a Sako made 6mm PPC. He asked me to load some ammo for him. I have a set of dies comming and he has located some brass. His plans are to help control the local coyote population but he did say he might try it on deer some time. Anyone out there with a bit of experience with this calibre?? I would appreciate any load suggestions you would share. Thanks
 
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Actually the 6mm PPC USA which that is was only made a couple of years by Sako and I had one. It is not the same 6mm PPC that I shoot in my competition rifles.

Be careful because as far as I know there is no source of brass any longer unless you make it yourself from the Russian case. I use Lapua to fire form.
 
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The 6mm PPC-USA -
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By Chuck Hawks http://www.chuckhawks.com/6mm_PPC.htm



The 6mm PPC was designed in 1975 by Ferris Pindell and Louis Palmisano for bench rest shooting. PPC stands for Pindell-Palmisano Cartridge. It was based on a necked-up and fireformed .220 Russian case (another target round).

The 6mm PPC is a very stubby round, with a case only 1.503 inch long and a rim diameter of .445 inch. The shoulder angle is 30 degrees. The case uses small rifle primers. There is no standard cartridge overall length for the 6mm PPC, which uses standard .243 inch diameter bullets. 60-70 grain match bullets are typically used for competition in bench rest rifles. Their greater resistance to crosswinds gives the 6mm bullets an advantage over the lighter bullets used in the .22 BR cartridges.

The 6mm PPC was designed specifically for use in bolt action single shot rifles. It is not well suited for use in repeating rifles due to its very short, sharp shouldered case, which makes for serious feeding problems. It is often impossible to get the 6mm PPC to feed from the magazine of even a custom made bolt action rifle. Its use should be confined to single shot rifles.

Norma of Sweden and Sako of Finland supply 6mm PPC brass for handloaders, and Sako chambers rifles for the cartridge. The letters "USA" were added to the designation "6mm PPC" at the request of Louis Palmisano when Sako standardized the cartridge in 1985.

Sako offers a factory load using a 70 grain HPBT Match bullet at a MV of 3200 fps and ME of 1481 ft. lbs. At 200 yards the Sako figures are 2407 fps and 892 ft. lbs. Sako ballistic tables show the following trajectory for this load: +1.5 inches at 100 yards, 0 at 200 yards, -7.2 inches at 300 yards.

This Sako factory load is typical of bench rest loads for the 6mm PPC. Handloaders can duplicate the ballistics of either using similar HPBT match bullets at MV's in the 3100-3200 fps range.

Most reloading manuals have loading data for the 6mm PPC. The Nosler Reloading Guide #5 shows that their 55 grain Ballistic Tip varmint bullet can be driven to MV of 3348 fps with a maximum load of 28.5 grains of H322 powder. The 70 grain Ballistic Tip varmint bullet in front of 25.5 grains of H322 delivered a MV of 3088 fps. Nosler technicians found H322 to be the most accurate powder with both bullet weights; test barrel length was 22 inches. The Nosler trajectory tables show the following for a 55 grain bullet at 3300 fps: +1.3 inches at 100 yards, 0 at 200 yards, and -6.4 inches at 300 yards.

The following information for heavier bullets is taken from the Speer Reloading Manual #13. The Speer test rifle had a 1-12 inch twist barrel. The 85 grain Speer BT spitzer bullet can be driven to a MV of 2703 fps with 25.5 grains of H335, or 3156 fps with 29.5 grains of the same powder. The 90 grain Speer Hot-Cor spitzer bullet can be driven to a MV of 2601 fps with 25.0 grains or 3031 fps with 29.0 grains of H335. The Speer 90 grain Hot-Cor spitzer bullet has a trajectory like this at a MV of 2900 fps: +1.9 inches at 100 yards, 0 at 200 yards, -7.7 inches at 300 yards.

 
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Your friend's Sako will (likely) have a 1:14" barrel, which limits how heavy a bullet you can sensibly shoot from the rifle. For coyote, you'll have no problems finding bullets around 70 grs. For deer, you'll have to find a bullet tough enough, but short enough to stabilize in the 1:14" barrel. Our very own "1894mk2" shoots a Sako 6mm PPC on deer, maybe he will chime in with a few hints?

The standard powder for the 6mm PPC is VV N133. But there are a lot of other powders that will work as well. Here is an article about the 6mm PPC, but be aware the cartridge is primarily used by target (BR) shooters, and the article is leaning that way as well. http://www.6mmbr.com/6ppc.html

Watch out if anybody offers your friend unturned Lapua .220 Russian brass for use in his rifle. Although this brass can easily be necked up and fireformed to be used in a 6mm PPC, the Lapua brass is on the heavy side for the Sako chamber, and using it unturned might generate high pressure. Norma 6mm PPC brass is occasionally available, and has correct dimensions for the Sako chamber.

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Many years ago I used the purple tip 70 Nosler in my Sako repeater. Was the first year they came out with those. Sorry but I cannot remember the load--too many years.
 
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The 6ppc was never designed as a hunting round, and as mentioned, the vast majority of bullets on the market that will stabilize in a 1/14 barrel will be target bullets and/or bullets designed to kill very small game/varmints. Your "friend" made a mistake. Sell the gun to a wannabe BR shooter and consider it a lesson learned.


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The 6ppc was never designed as a hunting round, and as mentioned, the vast majority of bullets on the market that will stabilize in a 1/14 barrel will be target bullets and/or bullets designed to kill very small game/varmints. Your "buddy" made a mistake. In every state where I have lived it has been unlawful to hunt deer with that size bullet, though I don't know how many people they actually catch doing it-- it should occur to you as being immoral at the least. Sell the gun to a wannabe BR shooter and consider it a lesson learned.


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I would like to Thank everyone who contributed to this. I rouned up 150 new Norma cases and decided to try Hornady 65 gr V-max bullets. H322 seems to be one of the powders of choice in this calibre.Groups in the 3/8 to 1/2 inch @ 100 yds seem to be the norm. There are already a couple coyotes that think my buddy made a big mistake getting this rifle. However those coyotes aren't "thinking " about anything anymore. I was also pleasantly surprized that the little Sako actually fed quite well from the magazine. Dam nice little rifle.
 
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