I am looking for a domestic source for the RWS / Brenneke ammunition or the bullets to reload.

Huntington's used to carry the full RWS line. But I haven't ordered from them in a while, and my catalog is several years old, so I can't say if they still do.

They were my source for RWS 5.6x50 R brass which I used as the basis for a 6.5mm wildcat round for the Contender.

I am not sure why you want these, as there is nothing special about their performance.

In fact, I would just pick any soft point bullet from Sierra or Hornady and get better performance.

We avoid these German made bullets like the plague when it comes to using them for hunting.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
We avoid these German made bullets like the plague when it comes to using them for hunting.

Saeed. Thanks for your comments. Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about the RWS H-Mantle projectiles, as compared to the Nosler Partition and the Swift A-Frame bullets?

I don't like them. They are not very consistent in their performance as the Noslers.

You get the odd one that seems to work so well, and suddenly another one breaks up.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I don't like them. They are not very consistent in their performance as the Noslers.

You get the odd one that seems to work so well, and suddenly another one breaks up.

That's an interesting comment too. I wondered about that...just looking at the drawings of their construction, they are definitely far more complex than either the A-Frame or the Nosler. And of course, more complexity means more opportunity for inconsistent performances.

I have used H-Mantles a long time from my 7x65-R Ruger No. 1, exclusively for elk (wapiti) with 100% satisfaction though. Maybe they are designed/made for the slower velocity cartridges, like the 7x65-R?

Or possibly, because of the complexity, there is considerable variation between lots, and I have just been using a good lot? Or, maybe they have even changed the design or component specs since my ammo was factory-loaded some 25+ years ago? (I got quite a heap of it as a freebie from Ken Howell back when he was editor of Rifle & Handloader magazines, so have been using the same lot all along.)

Anyway, thanks for your comment. It confirms something I had sort of suspected. For instance, on the last two elk I shot with it, the H-Mantles almost beheaded the elk. Each was struck right at the front edge of the shoulder at the base of the neck and died in mid-stride (they were both running).

I noted at the time that Nosler Partition's I had shot elk with, even though travelling far faster at impact (from my .300 Wby) had not opened up anything like that. Instead I have usually gotten "magazine-ad-type" performance from the Partitions...a perfect mushroom all the way back to the belt while retaining 80% or so total weight. The Noslers were 180 & 200 gr. bullets and the H-Mantles were the heaviest 7 m/ms of that design that RWS makes....essentially the same weight.

Thanks again for your advice.

I have been quite happy with the RWS bullets thus far (Cone points, H-Mantels, TIG & TUG bullets).
I would not recommend them for the super fast magnum calibers but for 7mm, 30/06 and 9.3 type calibers they do well with emphasis on using the front 1/4 as shrapnel for maximum damage and leaving the rear 3/4 to create a decent wound channel with its protruding shards.
I have recovered quite a few bullets where this has worked perfect.
Buffalo and Elephant are two game animals where I think it would be best to use a more heavily constructed bullet such as the Swift-A-Frame, TSX or solid for the Buffalo and solids naturally for the Jumbo.

TIG and TUG are no longer RWS bullets.

They were initially constructed by Wilhelm Brenneke around 1912. After WWII RWS manufactured TIG and TUG under licence of the Brenneke brand. At the time Brenneke only produced slugs.

A couple of years ago Brenneke re-entered the market of rifle ammunition and claimed the the brand names TIG and TUG back from RWS. After a rather lengthy law suit RWS had to rename their TIG and TUG projectiles to ID Classic and UNI Classic. They are thus further produced by RWS but are no longer called TIG and TUG.

The same bullets are now also made by Brenneke under their original names TIG and TUG.

TOG was never an RWS bullet. It was introduced by Brenneke a few year ago as their "come-back" bullet to the rifle ammo market.

I knew at one time the Brenneke - RWS made compound bullets (such as the H-mantel, etc.) had a reputation for failures and were not considered as reliable as some US-made bullets (like the Nosler Partition). But I had heard (no personal experience) that RWS had redesigned some of these bullets over the past ten years or so to overcome some of the objectionable characteristics. Perhaps this is not true??

The H-Mantel is an RWS construction, not a Brenneke.

Neither H-Mantel nor TIG or TUG have ever been redesigned. They are still the exact same stuff as decades ago.

The front part of the H-Mantel is designed to fragment on impact with the rear part of the bullet being of asolid construction that is supposed to render deep penetration.
It is good for sudden immobilazation but often creates a considerable mess.
There are still some oldtimers in good old Germany who swear by it, but they are becomming extinct; and so will probably the H-Mantel.

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Originally posted by McFox:
The H-Mantel is an RWS construction, not a Brenneke.
Neither H-Mantel nor TIG or TUG have ever been redesigned. They are still the exact same stuff as decades ago.
The front part of the H-Mantel is designed to fragment on impact with the rear part of the bullet being of asolid construction that is supposed to render deep penetration.
It is good for sudden immobilazation but often creates a considerable mess.
There are still some oldtimers in good old Germany who swear by it, but they are becomming extinct; and so will probably the H-Mantel.

Well, OK! Thanks for the clarification!

They >may< be overengeneered, but they sure as H€ll are overpriced ...

I came across a supply of 9.3 cal 286 gr TUG bullets. I have used some of them in my 9.3x64 and they seem to work quite well. The wadcutter ring on the bullet cuts a nice clean hole that bleeds on the way in and they penetrate well. No I wouldn't give up the 286 gr Partions or the 300 gr A-frames but I think the Tug bullet may be the best of the German designed bullets.

Some may find that RWS arguably goes to far in bullet specialization and, true enough, they work perfectly when used as intended but may fail if used as an do-it-all bullet. Their catalog presently lists :

EVO : a bonded core, comparable to the Norma Oryx, but more sophisticated : cutting ring (wadcutter hole), non fouling plating, ... One of the most universal bullet of the RWS range.

DK : dual core soft-hard,conical with cutting ring and core separation inside the game.

H-mantel : fragmenting, HP, very good stopping power but meat damaging.

ID classic : former TIG, dual core, cutting ring, intended for light to medium game and standard calibers.

UNI classic : former TUG, dual core, cutting ring, hard bullet, intended for heavy game or magnum velocities.

KS : conical, core locked, fast expanding.

T-mantel : classic SP.

V-mantel : FMJ

Match-Jagd : match HP

FS : special "coup de grâce" destined to trackers using bloodhounds. A desintegrating, short range bullet meant to break up inside and to not exit a wounded animal > 25 kg (55 lbs), so as to pose no threat to a circling dog. Probably the most specialized bullet on the market, considering its limited utility.

Das Buch der Geschosse

Look 1/2 way down on the right side of the page. It has most everything that you would want to know about construction of the various bullets.

I may be wrong, but I think most of the bullet makers are owned by RUAG. Sort of like Winchester and Browning "competing".

Hi
if you are only intressted in bullets, then they give you nothing more than a nosler or swift ,but the ammunition is of higher quality than average american makers and brass is very good and price is good too RWS ammo is in first hand designed for european games like boar and red deer and not tough enough for bigger games like grizzly and moose. I use remington loaded with swift and federal with nosler and theire ammo is good and cheap.
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yes

A boar but not a bear, get real, there is no game out there besides african game that will take a pounding and keep going like a large boar. Bears just have a small vital zone, that´s why they seam so resilient to bullets.

Beside moose are perhaps the easiest to shoot game in the whole of europe, lungs the size of a large corn flakes box, all you need it to poke a hole in them.

The three best bullets from europe is the ABC-bullet, not in production any more and the CDP-bullets and Lapua Naturalis.

And yes the brass of RWS, Norma and Lapua is outstanding in realtion to Win, and others.

Best regards Chris

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Originally posted by yes:
Hi
if you are only intressted in bullets, then they give you nothing more than a nosler or swift ,but the ammunition is of higher quality than average american makers and brass is very good and price is good too RWS ammo is in first hand designed for european games like boar and red deer and not tough enough for bigger games like grizzly and moose. I use remington loaded with swift and federal with nosler and theire ammo is good and cheap.
regards
yes

i didn't say about boars toughness , but with exception of rarely found big boars average boars have not the large bone costruction of big bears or american moose(not scandinavian)which is somewhat lighter. yes boars are tough ,but they don't have huge seize of bear and moose. boars can absorb a lot of lead before expiring, but the body is much lighter than bear and moose. i've seen many boars going down with TUG and H- mantel before nosler partition was invented . H-mantel do the same thing a nosler pt do,but it is not as strongly built as nosler PT or swift.
regards
yes

Kstephen
if you visit theRWS web site. they have recommandation information about their bullets and calibers with picture of each game and you can see which caliber is recommanded for exemple for boars or moose etc.
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yes

I have shot many Boars with the light TIG or CONE POINT but I would not use these two bullets for moose or Bear. I would use the TUG or H-mantel how ever.
A Boar taken with a TIG bullet from a 7x64.

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Originally posted by McFox:
The H-Mantel is an RWS construction, not a Brenneke.

Neither H-Mantel nor TIG or TUG have ever been redesigned. They are still the exact same stuff as decades ago.

TIG and TUG are a little bit redesigned!

They got more "lockrings" to hold the bullet together and the TIG was designed like the TUG for a better BC...


From all RWS-bullets in my oppinion the TUG is the best. Out from not too fast calibers like 9,3x62/64 it holds together at least like weldcores.

It is not so strong like bear claws or A-Frames but it kills.
It is excellent for boar and german/european red deer.

The TOG is not from RWS it is from Brenneke a bonded bullet like Interbonds but out of my rifle they are extremely accurate!(8x68S)