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I interested in loading lite charges in rounds for a friend who is a beginner to reduce a flinch he is developing. Unfortately he bought more gun than he barganed for & was wondering if anyone had some information or thoughts regarding 300 Win Mag.? I have loaded several round with 48 gr of Varget and 150 gr PSP which seems to work well but was interested to hear if anyone had any other loads or thoughts. I know it gets dangerous loading to lite but Iam unsure were that safe line is for this caliber? | ||
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Sorry to but in. I just wondered what the problem would be in loading too light? Before I knew any better, I'd pull the bullets off .303s and dump out most of the powder. Then shove them back together. So I could shoot my .303 in our basement. My dad thought it was fine to give a rifle to a little kid and let him go play with it. If one didn't come out the end, I'd just stick in another one, close my eyes and shoot it out. "When doing battle, seek a quick victory." | |||
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I sincerely hope this is just trying to make a joke? I wouldn't exactly call this a good thing to pass on to other people... | |||
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to down load rounds, I wouldn't use 4350... for IMR powders, try 3031, 4895, 4064... but the best choices would be getting info and downloading it with 4198 or SR 4759... IMr 4227 will also work well... | |||
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You're best bet for reduced loads in the 300 Win Mag using 150gr jacketed bullets would be IMR SR 4759. Speer data shows 24-28 grs, velocity 1700-2000 fps +/-. I have used this combo in the past and it worked well. | |||
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Go to hodgon load data center under reduced loads | |||
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Hodgdon's Downloads use H 4895... That powded sucks for consistency.. and Hodgdon hasn't tested those loads for accuracy evidently... some are take drivers and some throw the bullets around like the rifle was a 12 gauge... H 4895 can take on load that is a tack driver, and then increase or decrease the volume slightly and accuracy goes to hell in a hand basket... If you want to use Hodgdon powders for downloads, use H 4198 or H 4227 and then use IMR 4198 or IMr 4227 data.. results should be similar.. | |||
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Seafire Can you explain why the hair on my arms and the back of my neck are standing straight up? I hope nobody tries that reloading suggestion. Best wishes, Bill | |||
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I think it is called detonation. It is where a small amount of slow burning powder is ignited in a large case causing extreme pressure spikes. I'm not sure why it occurs and it doesn't happen every time. One of my Hornady manuals advises against using light loads of IMR4350 in a 243 because of detonation. If you want to light load use a faster powder as advised above. RH | |||
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Thanks himmelrr, Seafire, I never suggested anyone do the same thing as a totally unsupervised kid. I just wondered how lucky I am to still be alive. "When doing battle, seek a quick victory." | |||
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The best way to overcome a flinch is by buying a .22. I don't mean that in a patronizing way, it's just so much easier than going the reloading route. When I take my big guns to the range, I always take my .22 with me and shoot it between large bore shot strings; it's a great way to keep yourself honest. analog_peninsula ----------------------- It takes character to withstand the rigors of indolence. | |||
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Just watch it for downloading those large cases.....this past year,they called 911 & hauled a shooter to Emergency, certified as a Paramedic as he did a light load in a 7mmMag......detonation destroyed rifle, scope and sent him to the hospital. Just follow prescribed procedures please. r in s. | |||
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Thanks for the good info and thoughts on the matter, I will try some loads and see if I can find some more on webb or at the gun club and post results for accuacy and overall performance. | |||
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Well Specialist... I am just glad you survived and are still with us, unharmed! cheers seafire  | |||
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HAHA! Sounds like Darwin has bigger plans for you... Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves. - Lord Byron "They were not killing each other under Saddam."-Saaed | |||
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Nobody ever thought I'd see 25, I'm now 52. Though there's still time for me to die in a glorious ball of flaming V8 wreckage. But thanks to all the great info I glean from this site, me and my buds, won't be having to pick shrapnel out of our wrinkly old mugs. Thanks Guys  "When doing battle, seek a quick victory." | |||
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I would suggest getting some cast bullets and some red dot. I have loaded several REALLY light loads with Reddot. I 5grs in a 45-70 behind a 435gr bullet. But from a book, Lyman has good data for the 308. 151gr bullet, 13.5gr Red dot, 1742fsp. I don't have any data for the 300WM on hand, but I think we could figure out a starting point. | |||
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What I do, is lay several guns out. Some are loaded some are not. Then get the subject to shoot one after the other, that seems to work pretty well. If only one gun is available I load it or just work the bolt behind their back then hand it to them, so they don't know if it's going to kick or not. "When doing battle, seek a quick victory." | |||
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Sorry to step in but if the 300 winny is too much for him then sell it and buy a lighter caliber like a .270. What was your friend going to hunt? You don't have to be the best shot....Just the last shot. | |||
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Is this supposed to be a practice and limited hunting round. Your Varget load, although much weaker than a 300 Savage load, is not in the cast bullet or plinker catagory. You'll be doing ~2500fps. Is that what you want? I have used 3031 for reduced loads for bullet testing and 45 grains of 3031 will get you about that same velocity. Again, if that is what you want. Definitely no 4350. Nothing slower than 3031 or 4895. Seafire is right; below 35KSI 4895 pretty much sucks for consistency. | |||
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Try SR4759 for reduced loads in the .300 Mag. NRA Life Member testa virtus magna minimum | |||
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He wanted to use it as an all around gun for deer, moose & black bear... as a matter of fact he ordered it in your neck of the woods, from S.I.R. | |||
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my favourite "reduced load" for .300 win mag is 8.6gr ADI AP70 pushing a 165gr gas checked lead pill getting about 1200fps well under the cracking noise, and almost no recoil. I'm a medic, not a doctor. a doctor will save your life, a medic will make you comfortable while you die. | |||
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The lightest published load in my Speer 9 for Win 300 mag is 19.0 grains of SR4559 with a 100 grain plinker and a cci 250 primer. The manual claims 1626 fps for velocity. For a 150 grain spitzer the Speer 9 manual is showing 24.0 gr of 4759 as the starting load at 1743 fps. In this same spitzer bullet, the manual claims 28.0 grains max at 2028 fps. Thanks rc | |||
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With jacketed bullets 500 fps or so is minimum, they stick below that. Lead can be driven slower. I doubt if you will get low load detonation with standardrifle powders such as 3031 or 4895. We didn't see such things until we started the slower powders. What the mad did was probably not that dangerous. Good Luck! | |||
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There are light loads and there are reduced loads. I don't like messing with pistol-speed powders in rifles. What I would do is try a starting load using 4064 and light bullets. I've always had acceptable results going that route in standard capacity cases. Maybe not always the ultimate accuracy, but usually less than a 2 MOA load. I really love 4064. | |||
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Heh1 my "lightest" (recoil) load is 79.3gr ADI2209 pushing a 125gr nosler ballistic tip at almost 3400fps. can barely feel the kick! and it literally shreads anything smaller than a 70kg pig. I'm a medic, not a doctor. a doctor will save your life, a medic will make you comfortable while you die. | |||
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googel "hodgdon Youth Loads" or click for pdf file http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Youth%20Loads.pdf Basic- Using a maximum load listed for H4895, mulityply by 60%, this is your reduced load. Very Old Thread | |||
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Instead of downloading with slow burning rifle powders, I would recommend trying IMR Trail Boss. Here's some data from the IMR website: .300 Win. Mag. .308" 150 GR. SIE SP OAL 3.340" IMR Trail Boss 18.0 gr. 1302 fps 18,400 PSI 25.5 gr. 1687 fps 28,600 PSI | |||
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I had good luck with mine shooting 55gr of IMR-4320 and 150gr Ballistic Tips. Might give a 52 to 56 grain range a try. Free men should not be subjected to permits, paperwork and taxation in order to carry any firearm. NRA Benefactor | |||
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Here, the nearly industry standard for reduced rifle loads is Vihta N110. Especially the vintage ordonance rifle shooters use it a lot. H&N bullets publishes some data on their website as well as in their manual. | |||
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