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I have a couple questions about run out on loaded rounds. Say you determine that some of your loaded rounds have too much runout, what does one do to fix it??

2, whats the best gauge for measuring runout for a decent price, I am looking at the forster unit right now


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You can always get a Bersin tool

http://www.kinneman.com/web/2003/catalog/css/catalog_49.html

that way you can measure it and fix it at the same time.


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Remedy the problem properly and don't worry about streightening them after they are already screwed up. Guys worry about neck tension being the same in all of their ctgs. and then go bending them back and forth after they are loaded, makes a lot of sense doesn't it. Find out first where the run out is being introduced into your ctgs. It can be in one of three places, the guns chamber, not very likely, but the worst senerio. This would mean that your chamber was out of whack bad. Measure it as a fired case before anything is done to it, preferably after at least the second fireing. That should be OK. The second place it can be introduced, and I think the most common place is the sizing die. Size the case as you always do and measure run out after the sizing procedure. The final place is the seating die, and this does happen fairly frequently. I think the best buy in a run out gauge is Sinclairs, and for the 18 bucks or so that they charge you for the indicator it isn't a bad deal. The entire gauge with the indicator is about 90 bucks. I do not know where your problem is or what you are loading with for dies, but if you find out what part or the procedure is causing your problem, post it or email me and we can hash it over and more than likely clear it up.
How much runout do you have in some of your ctgs.


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Neck thickness figures in runout also. If the case walls aren`t of even thickness the bullet will not run on the center line of the cartridge. Some times neck turning is required to get runout down where one wants it.
Once you start chaseing a runout free cartridge the variables will drive ya mad.....


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I use an RCBS Case Master. It seems to work just fine. I have 300 Norma 22-250 cases neck turned to within .0005 that I use in my Cooper. I have also had two 1000 yd bench rifles, one a tight neck 6-284, and the other a .300 Jarrett with a SAAMI minimum spec. neck dimension. The Jarrett was a shooter. The 6-284 with it's carefully turned necks wasn't. I have also done a fair bit of experimenting with concentricity in several factory, custom, and customized rifles. My conclusion is that unless one has a bench-rest grade rifle, fussing over concentricity has been an interesting waste of time. Most of my rifles would shoot no different with .002 or .008 runout. Any more, I don't worry much about run-out and for my most accurate rifles I have found that using Norma brass and Redding comp dies usually give me ammo with only around .002-.003 run-out and no neck turning or other monkeying around necessary.
 
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cummins cowboy,

All you have to do to straighten them is get a fired case (a trash case) of the same cal., Mark the high spot w/ a sharpie while on the gauge, take the fired case and slip it over the bullet til it touches the loaded case mouth, and apply a small amount of pressure in the opposite direction of the mark on the loaded case. Stick it back into the gauge and check again. It will take you a few to get the hang of it but, it is very easy and very quick. I can get 20 rounds w/in .001-.002 in just a few minutes w/ this method.

On the neck tension issue, you aren't going to loose tension as long as the correction is very little. The object of straightening them is to not go back and forth but, to only correct one way. Usually I'm only correcting .003-.005 down to .001-.002 so, that little bit of movement in one direction doesn't effect tension. I'll put it this way, by using the above method it produces groups in the .2s to .3s in some of my rifles so it's certainly not hurting anything.

Good Luck

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I think cobrad hit it on the money. It just doesn't matter that much.
 
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