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WTF? Split necks after a while, not immediately?
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So here goes. I was going through some of my loaded ammo for my 6.5-06AI last night. I have not shot this rifle in a year or so because I have been playing with other projects. I noticed that in a large number of instances, like 3-4 out of 20, the necks of the loaded ammo had split while sitting on the shelf.

Let me explain how I load these. First, I use 270 brass. I use a Redding neck sizer to size it to 6.5, then I trim to max length for the 6.5-06. The reason for the max trim is because I know it will fit the chamber AND that some of that will pull back when I fireform.

To fireform, I load a 140 grain bullet with a medium high load of AA4350 so that the bullet seats into the lands and the cartridge is a slight crush fit into the chamber. Then I fire them at the range. Most of the time, this is fine. Occaisionally if I want a sharper shoulder, I will fire again. All looks good by this time.

For final loading, I simply neck size again and load the 120 Ballistic tip and go have fun.

Since they have only been fired once or twice, at the most, I have not annealed the cases yet. When I looked at the neck splits last night, it looked like someone had cut the necks straight as an arrow from case mouth all the way to the neck/shoulder junction. No partials and only one that appeared to look like it was just starting into the shoulder.

The other thing I noticed was that on some of the newly sized brass, it appeared that there was a shiny line from mouth to shoulder. I could not "feel" it with any of my picks on either the outside or inside on the neck, but it was there. This was the initial sizing. What I did not have time to do was take apart the sizing die to see if there was a flaw in it. I will do that tonight.

Here are my questions. Has anyone seen this before? Can it be because I am sizing the necks down and making them "too tight" for the bullets and they are just giving way after a time? Can the necks really need to be annealed after only one firing? Any other suggestions would be helpful!

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I have had that happen with surplus 308 brass.I have anealed the necks and have not had that happen any more.It it a shock when you find them HUH.Good Luck
 
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The phenomenon is called age-hardening and is sometimes seen even in new NOS (New Old Stock) ammo, especially some military stuff made during WW2. The cure and prevention is to anneal the brass neck/shoulder area about every 5-10 loadings or even more often, some BPCRS shooters anneal every time.
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"Can the necks really need to be annealed after only one firing?"
Yep

Ive found that with some batches of brass I get cracks after once fired.
I would annel your brass before or right after you size it, then maybe again after once or twice fired
You might just have a bad batch
I just reloaded some ww 308 brass and found 2 cracked cases that were aneled just 2 loads prior, so I aneled them again.
 
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You first reformed the necks, then fired it a few times. Now it's gotten stress cracks in storage. ??

Seems maybe you should have annealed immediately after the reforming step?
 
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Thanks for the replies. Looks like I will take the advice and anneal immediately. I would not have expected it to happen after one firing, but such is life.


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I had the same thing happen when 6.5X55 brass could not be found. I used new 30-06 brass and annealed it first, ran into a 250 die, then the 6.5 die, trimmed and outside neck turned them.
I annealed again when done.
They shot good and I only shot a few, the rest in the box were loaded but unfired. They sat for a year and when I went to shoot, all the necks were split.
Makes me wonder how a guy can make drastic case changes for a wildcat.
I make 7R brass from 30-30 cases and never had a single split neck.
 
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I think the other thing I will try (again) is necking up 25-06 brass. I will lube it better as well to see if it helps.

Thanks for the thoughts!


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Larry,
Just another thought but have you checked how much your resizing die is working the brass? This could contribute to the splits also.


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Blacktailer, I thought about that. The expander button is sometimes hard to retract from the case, but it happens with both the regular full size die and the neck die. I was also just thinking I would just try it without the sizer button to see what happens.


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If the expander is hard to extract it needs
lube. Use a Q-Tip and put a scosh of Imperial
Die wax on the inside shoulder neck location.
A very little bit goes a long way.
If you used a liquid brass cleaner it could
cause storage cracks also.
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