want to try some norma powder now that it is back in distribution in the us. i am having trouble finding any load data. would like to try 180gr. bullets from a /06AI also 120gr. bullets from a 7/08. any advice on which particular powders would be appreciated.

b h

Norma's website has some information about your 7mm-08. check this link and go from there!

http://www.norma.cc/sida/handladd/handladdning/handladdning.asp

Norma MRP is the rough equivalent of RL22, they presumably come off the same production line at Bofors in Sweden. You can use RL22 data to work up from below. MRP should work well for your .30-06(AI)/180 grs load.

- mike

thanks-- i will start from there.

b h

quote:

Originally posted by mho:
Norma MRP is the rough equivalent of RL22, they presumably come off the same production line at Bofors in Sweden. You can use RL22 data to work up from below. MRP should work well for your .30-06(AI)/180 grs load.

- mike

Mike is couching this carefully. Do not be surpised if you obtain the same charge weights and the same velocities when you have worked up. Great powder if you want velocity!

quote:

Mike is couching this carefully. Do not be surpised if you obtain the same charge weights and the same velocities when you have worked up. Great powder if you want velocity!

When I had to switch from MRP to RL22 the first can of RL22 was a couple grs hotter than my MRP loads. All purchases after that have been almost exactly the same as my MRP loads. Maybe an adjustment .5grs up or down for accuracy.

Howdy,
I've just had the same experience with the Norma to RL switch as ramrod, only I did it with RL15 as a substitute for N-201. Just start low as with any powder and work up. Came out very well with my 9.3x62mm. RL-19 is supposed to replace N-204 too, and you can still purchase Norma powders via Black Hills.

LLS

Bounty Hunter,

Here is the same data Ackley Improved User sent me. It's all based around the 30-06 Ackley Imp. I ran with the Rel 25 (aka MRP-2) and came up with a humdinger of a 180 Nos BT load which runs 3050 fps from my 26" Lilja barrel with 68.6 gr in Win cases and Fed210M primer seated .015" off the lands.

Also, he knows Norma powders pretty well. I had BHSS send him 10 lbs of MRP and some URP via my FFL to restock his dwindling supply.

GSSP, here you are, but work up to these loads - they go to MAX and even beyond.

.30-06 Ackley Improved Loads (26" barrel)

Powder- Load (Grs)- Bullet (Grs)- Bullet Type- Velocity (fps)- Notes

V550…59 150 Win ST 3127
V550…60 150 Win ST 3201
V550…61 150 Win ST 3249
V550… 62 150 Win ST 3289
V550… 63 150 Win ST 3341 Too HOT
V550… 62 150 NBT 3297 Very accurate, 3255 Sierra HPMatch
V550… 62.5 150 NBT 3334 Very accurate, 3293 Sierra HPMatch
V550… 63 150 NBT 3340 Very accurate, 3338 Sierra HPMatch Accurate

V560… 64 150 NBT 3000 No pressure
V560… 65 150 NBT 3020 No pressure
V560… 67 150 N BT 3110 No pressure
V560… 69 150 NBT 3172 No pressure
V560… 70 150 NBT 3305 No pressure/ Accurate
V560….70.5 150 NBT 3307 No pressure
V560… 71 150 NBT 3337 No pressure
V560… 72 150 NBT 3374 Too hot!

I4831… 55 150 Win ST 2627
I4831… 58 150 Win ST 2760
I4831… 59 150 Win ST 2851
I4831… 60 150 Win ST 2926
I4831… 61 150 Win ST 2998
I4831… 62 150 Win ST 3029
I4831… 63 150 Win ST 3085
I4831… 64 150 Win ST 3111 Absolutely no PSI signs

IMR 4350… 60.0 165 SierraMatch BT 3040
IMR 4350… 60.0 168 Berger Moly BT 3020 Very accurate
IMR 4350… 61.0 165 SierraMatch BT 3090/3105/3168/3103 3091/3167 Accur.
IMR 4350… 61.0 165 Hornady BT/FB 3139/3117/3101/3140/3129
IMR 4350… 61.0 168 BergerMoly BT 3038/3076 3018 Very accurate
IMR 4350… 61.0 165 HornadyFB 3117/3136 3103 Lapua brass
IMR 4350… 61.0 168 Sierra Match BT 3103/3127 0.5" 3-shot
IMR 4350… 61.5 165 SierraBT 3165 Accurate
IMR 4350… 61.5 165 NBT 3135
IMR 4350… 61.5 165 HornadyBT/FB 3170/3143
IMR 4350… 61.5 165 HornadyFB 3149/3143 Lapua brass
IMR 4350… 61.5 165 Hornady BT 3162 Fed brass Too hot
IMR 4350… 61.5 168 SierraMatch BT 3158
IMR 4350… 62.0 165 Sierra Match BT/BT 3138/3196 Accurate
IMR 4350… 62.0 165 NBT 3104
IMR 4350… 62.0 165 HornadyBT/FB 3192/3157 Accurate
IMR 4350… 62.0 165 HornadyFB 3197 Lapua brass
IMR 4350… 62.0 168 SierraMatch BT 3184 Not accurate
IMR 4350… 62.5 165 Hornady FB 3188 Maximum
IMR 4350… 62.5 165 Hornady FB 3221 (Max!!) Lapua brass
IMR 4350… 63.0 165 SierraMatch BT 3175 Blown primer!
IMR 4350… 63.0 165 Hornady FB 3253 Too hot!! Lapua brass,

H 414… 59.0 165 HornadyFB 3009/2969 3057 OK pressure
H 414… 60.0 165 HornadyFB 3003/3045 3093 OK pressure
H 414… 61.0 165 HornadyBT 3159 OK pressure
H 414… 61.5 165 HornadyBT 3161 OK pressure
H 414… 62.0 165 HornadyBT 3209 Too Hot!!

W 760… 59.0 165 HornadyFB 3012/2994 OK pressure
W 760… 60.0 165 HornadyFB 3059/3055 3082 OK pressure
W 760… 60.5 165 HornadyFB 3118
W 760… 61.0 165 HornadyFB 3143 Very Accurate
W 760… 61.5 165 HornadyFB 3170 Very Accurate
W 760… 62.0 165 HornadyFB 3194
W 760… 62.5 165 HornadyFB 3205 Mild Pressure

W 760… 60 165 HornadyBT 3118 Lapua
W 760… 60.5 165 HornadyBT 3143 Lapua
W 760… 61 165 Hornady BT 3148 Lapua
W 760… 61.5 165 HornadyBT 3170 Lapua
W 760… 62 165 HornadyBT 3202 Lapua
W 760… 62.5 165 HornadyBT 3219 Lapua Maximum

W 760… 61.5 165 HornadyBT 3077 Win brass
W 760… 62 165 HornadyBT 3112 Win brass
W 760… 62.5 165 HornadyBT 3137 Win brass
W 760… 63.0 165 Hornady BT 3175 Win brass No pressure

V550… 56 165 HornadyBT 2959 Very accurate
V550… 57 165 HornadyBT 3022
V550… 58 165 HornadyBT 3080
V550… 59 165 HornadyBT 3153 Early Ej. marks
V550… 60 165 HornadyBT 3214 Growing Ej. marks
V550… 61 165 HornadyBT 3275 Significant Pres Accurate
V550… 62 165 HornadyBT 3318 Loose pockets Too Hot!!

V560… 60 165 HornadyBT 2820 No pressure
V560… 61 165 HornadyBT 2904 No pressure
V560… 62 165 Hornady BT 2953 No pressure
V560… 62.5 165 HornadyBT 2981 No pressure
V560… 63 165 HornadyBT 3024 No pressure Accurate
V560… 63.5 165 HornadyBT 3048 No pressure
V560… 64 165 HornadyBT 3087 No pressure
V560… 64.5 165 HornadyBT 3105 No pressure
V560… 65 165 HornadyBT 3127 Early pressure signs
V560… 65 165 HornadyBT 3051 Winchester Brass
V560… 65.5 165 HornadyBT 3089 Early Ej. marks
V560… 66 165 HornadyBT 3126 Early Ej marks

V560… 66 165 LRB 3201/3224 maybe too hot!

V560… 66.5 165 Hornady BT 3148 Early Ej marks
V560… 67 165 Hornady BT 3177 Early Ej marks
V560… 67.5 165 Hornady BT 3211 Early Ej marks
V560… 68 165 Hornady BT 3218 Tight pockets Early Ej. marks

V560… 65 165 NBT 3075 Lapua
V560… 65.5 165 NBT 3127 Lapua
V560… 66 165 NBT 3187 Lapua
V560… 66.5 165 NBT 3210 Lapua
V560… 67 165 NBT 3240 Lapua Accurate HOT
V560… 67.5 165 NBT 3252 Ejector marks Lapua Maximum
V560… 67 165 NBT 3227 3070/3052/3048 (Oehler – cool temp)
V560… 67.5 165 NBT 3249 Hot Enough Win brass Accurate
V560… 68 165 NBT 3280 3120/3131/3116 (Oehler – cool temp)
V560… 68.5 165 NBT 3306 Loose Pocks /Win /Too Hot

R19… 60.5 165 SierraMatBT 2871
R19… 61.5 165 SierraMatBT 2912
R19… 62.5 165 SierraMatBT 2978
R19… 63.5 165 SierraMatBT 3014
R19… 64.0 168 SierraMatBT 3074
R19… 65.0 168 SierraMatBT 3101 [13/16" 3-shot]
R19… 65.0 165 SWIFT 3188
R19… 65.0 165 NBT 3162/3195
R19… 65.5 165 NBT 3212
R19… 66.0 168 SierraMatBT 3176 [0.75" 3-shot]
R19… 66.0 165 NBT 3247 accurate MAX!

R19… 66.0 165 NBT 3115 Oehler/RWS
R19… 66.0 165 NBT 3144/3145/3111/3167 Oehler/Lapua
R19… 66.0 165 NBT 3170/3147/3136/3198 Oehler/R-Pbrass
R19… 66.0 165 NBT 3162/3160/3175 New 06 Oehler

R19… 66.0 165 NFB 3236 accurate Lapua cases
R19… 66.0 165 Hornady BT 3263 accurate Lapua cases
R19… 66.0 165 SierraBT 3219 accurate Lapua cases
R19… 66.0 165 LRB 3217/3182/3173/3194 (Oehler)
R19… 66.0 165 Swift 3246 Lapua cases Max
R19… 66.0 168 CT 3172/3160/3152 Not accurate (Oehler)
R19… 66.5 165 NBT 3234/3247/3202….3118/3111/3187/3190/3147 (Oehler)
R19… 67.0 165 SierraBT 3226/3212/3195/3277 Accurate
R19… 67.0 165 NBT 3275 (aver) 3213/3219 (Oehler-cool temp)
R19… 67.0 165 NFB 3305 Over maximum.
R19… 67.0 165 HornFB/BT 3282/3317 Lapua brass/Maximum
R19… 67.0 165 NBT 3261 (aver) Lapua/Maximum/Very accurate
R19… 67.5 165 NBT 3252 (aver) Maximum!!
R19… 67.5 165 NBT 3274 Win brass/Maximum
R19… 67.5 165 NBT 3293 Win brass/Maximum
R19… 68.0 165 NBT 3238/3262/3281 Win brass/Over Maximum

R19… 59.0 180 SierraMat BT 2784

IMR 4831… 63.5 165 Hornady FB 3153 Accurate
IMR 4831… 63.5 168 Sierra Match BT 3150/3153 Accurate
IMR 4831… 63.0 165 Nosler NBT 3140 Lapua Great Accuracy
IMR 4831… 63.5 165 Nosler NBT 3172 Lapua
IMR 4831… 64.0 165 Nosler NBT 3188/3172 Lapua
IMR 4831… 64.5 165 Nosler NBT 3208/3210 Lapua
IMR 4831… 65.0 165 Nosler NBT 3224/3224 Lapua
IMR 4831… 65.5 165 Nosler NBT 3246 Lapua
IMR 4831… 63.0 165 Nosler NBT 3150 R-P
IMR 4831… 63.5 165 Hornady BT 3103 No pressure
IMR 4831… 63.5 165 Nosler NBT 3181 R-P
IMR 4831… 64.0 165 Hornady BT 3193 Too Hot
IMR 4831… 64.0 165 Nosler NBT 3221 R-P
IMR 4831… 64.5 165 Nosler NBT 3232 R-P Very Accur
IMR 4831… 65.0 165 Nosler NBT 3263 R-P Very Accur Max

H 4831SC… 68 165 SWIFT SC 3170
H 4831SC… 69 165 SWIFT SC 3270 TOO HOT!!
H 4831SC… 71 165 SWIFT SC 3242 TOO HOT

Hornady Light Magnum Ammo 165 SST 3012 Impressive

IMR 4831… 60.0 180 Sierra Match BT 2967/2966
IMR 4831… 60.5 180 Sierra Match BT 3025
IMR 4831… 61.0 180 Sierra Match BT 3029
IMR 4831… 61.5 180 Sierra Match BT 3054 0.63" 3-shot

H4831……63.0 168 Sierra Match BT 2954
H4831……64.0 168 Sierra Match BT 3014
H4831sc… 65.0 168 Sierra Match BT 3062/3046 One H4831sc
H4831…... 65.0 165 Hornady FB 3046 Accurate
H4831……68.0 165 Hornady FB 3153 Accurate
H4831sc… 68.0 168 Sierra Match BT 3153 Accurate

H4831… 60.0 180 Sierra Match BT 2806 Accurate
H4831… 61.0 180 Sierra Match BT 2908
H4831… 62.0 180 Sierra Match BT 2940
H4831… 63.0 180 Sierra Match BT 2983
H4831sc. 63.0 180 Rem Bronze pt. 2860 Not accurate
H4831sc. 65.0 180 Rem Bronze pt. 2917
H4831sc. 66.0 180 Rem Bronze pt. 2989
H4831sc. 67.0 180 Rem Bronze pt. 3000

R22… 63.0 165 2950 CCI-BR
R22… 64.0 165 3032 CCI-BR
R22… 66.0 168 Sierra Match BT 3096 [0.75" 3-shot] CCI-BR
R22… 67.0 168 Sierra Match BT 3140 CCI-BR
R22… 66.0 165 Nosler NBT 3168
R22… 67.0 165 Nosler NBT 3235 Pressure
R22… 68.0 165 Nosler NBT 3276 Too Hot!! 3111/3102/3095 (Oehler)
R22… 68.5 165 Nosler NBT 3136/3181/3165 (Oehler)
R22… 69.0 165 Nosler NBT 3317 Too Hot!! 3176/3218/3200 (Oehler)
R22… 69.0 165 Nosler NBT 3162/3165 (Oehler)
R22… 69.5 165 Nosler NBT 3203/3203 (Oehler)

R22… 69.0 165 Nosler Accubond 3199 (Oehler)

R22… 65.0 168 Nosler CT [New’06] 2973
R22… 66.0 168 Nosler CT [New’06] 3025
R22… 67.0 168 Nosler CT [New’06] 3091
R22… 68.0 168 Nosler CT [New’06] 3138
R22… 68.5 168 Nosler CT [New’06] 3165 [Extremely Accurate]
R22… 69.0 168 Nosler CT [old ‘06] 3153/3144

V560… 65.5 168 Nosler CT [New’06] 2106
V560… 66.0 168 Nosler CT [New’06] 3137
V560… 67.5 168 Nosler CT [New’06] 3163 [Getting Hot]

R22… 60.5 180 Nosler NBT 2820
R22… 61.5 180 Nosler NBT 2896
R22… 62.0 180 Sierra Match BT 2902
R22… 62.5 180 Sierra Match BT 2950/2931
R22… 63.0 180 Sierra Match BT 2978/2944
R22… 63.5 180 Sierra Match BT 2986 Accurate
R22… 64.0 180 Sierra Match BT 3037/3026
R22… 65.0 180 Sierra Match BT 3097 0.40" 3-shot
R22… 65.5 180 Sierra Match BT 3036 Very accurate
R22… 66.0 180 Sierra Match BT 3068/3041 Maximum
R22… 67.0 180 Nosler NBT 3141 Too Hot!!

[BOLD=mag primers[ - there is no difference between BR and mag primers

R25… 66 168 NosCT 2888/2953 [2956]
R25… 67 168 NosCT 3012/2992 [3010/2994]
R25… 68 168 NosCT 3029/3000 [3014/3028]
R25…70 168 NosCT 3100/3133 [3121/3082] Accurate
R25…71 168 NosCT 3134/3132 [3128/3140] Accurate

R25… 69 165 Nosler NBT 3145
R25… 69.5 165 Nosler NBT 3158
R25… 70 165 Nosler NBT 3176
R25… 70.5 165 Nosler NBT 3187
R25… 71 165 Nosler NBT 3250/3209
R25… 71.5 165 Nosler NBT 3219/3222 No pressure/ great pockets

R25… 66 165 Swift 2923
R25… 66.5 165 Swift 2941
R25… 67.0 165 Swift 2963
R25… 68 165 Swift 3016
R25… 70 165 Swift 3080

MRP… 65.5 165 SWIFT SC 3146
MRP… 66 165 SWIFT/LRB/SST 3292/3173/3150/3194
MRP… 66 168 NCT 3097
MRP… 66.5 165 LRB/SWFT/CT 3185/3212/3192/3240/3148
MRP… 66.5 165 NBT 3016/3033 (Oehler/cool temp)
MRP… 67 168 NCT 3167/3144
MRP… 67 165 SWIFT SC TOO HOT – STOP!!
MRP… 67 165 NBT 3241
MRP… 67.5 165 NBT 3125/3131-Oehler/cool temp
MRP… 67.5 165 NBT 3262/3251 Stop here Pockets getting loose
MRP… 68.5 165 NBT 3183/3175/3168-Oehler/cool temp

RAMag… 67 165 HORN 2766
RAMag… 70 165 HORN 2935
RAMag… 72 165 HORN 2974
RAMag… 73 165 HORN 3016 NO PRES

7828… 66 165 NBT 3102 ACCUR
7828… 67 165 NBT 3133 ACCUR
7828… 68 165 NBT 3208 ACCUR
7828… 69 165 NBT 3224 ACCUR

7828ssc… 69 165 NBT 3131/3101/3113
7828ssc… 69.5 165 NBT 3152/3186/3152
7828ssc… 70 165 NBT 3145/3183/3170 too hot/loose pockets

7828… 65 180 NpT 2903/2865/2904/2887
7828… 66 180 NpT 3011/2986
7828… 67 180 NpT 3001/3047/3037
7828… 68 180 NpT 2977/3054
7828… 69 180 NpT 3049/3034

R25… 67.5 180 LRB 3064/3037 Lapua/great pocks
R25… 68.0 180 LRB 3078/3102 Lapua/great pocks
R25… 68.0 180 NBT 3100 Lapua.
R25… 68.5 180 LRB 3051/3114/3028 Lapua/great pocks
R25… 68.5 180 SWIFT 3149 Lapua/great pocks
R25… 68.5 180 NBT 3113/3131 Lapua Max/ pockets OK
R25… 69 180 NBT 3094 (aver) Win Brass /great pockets
R25… 69 180 SWIFT 3090/3050/3075 3021 Lapua Brass
R25… 69 180 Accubond 3106/3123/3078
R25… 69.5 180 NBT 3169 Win Brass/ pockets OK
R25… 69.5 180 Swift 3032 3084/3091/3083 Max!!New 06 AI (Oehler)
R25… 70.0 180 NBT 3084/3083/3098 New 06 AI (Oehler), new Win case
R25… 70.0 180 NBT 3111/3091/3118 3090 Old 06 AI (Oehler), new Win case
R25… 70.0 180 Swift 3117 (blown pri) Old 06 AI (Oehler), OLD Win case TOO hot
R25… 70.5 180 NBT 3111/3091/3118 3078 Old 06 AI (Oehler), new Win case

Ram… 69 180 NPT 2835 New 06
Ram… 70.5 180 NPT 2894
Ram… 72 180 NPT 2916 Win Brass/ pockets OK

I have no 200 gr. data. My favorite loads are 66 grs. of Re19 for 165 gr. bullets and 70 grs of Re25 for 180 gr. bullets, especially Nosler bullets. Watch out for stiff/hard bullets like Barnes or Lost River Ballistics - they're eratic with pressure/velocity and too hard for North American big game, IMO. Happy and safe shooting, regards, AIU