Cause:
Contractor re-working bullet back stop
Effect:

Extremly large press surplus output.

Situation area "Texas":

Questions:
1. I have never heard that here is a legal limit to the number of loaded rounds a person can store in a residential Texas house.
2. I have read that there is a legal limit to the number of primers one can store in a residential house, 20-30K ??? not sure
2. I would assume that this legal limit of allowed stored primers would also apply to the number of loaded rounds stored. ???
3. If #2 above is correct then what would one do to store loaded rounds over the legal limit of primers allowed.

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If #2 above is correct then what would one do to store loaded rounds over the legal limit of primers allowed.

One would keep one's mouth shut, and be the only one with any incriminating knowledge of such a thing!

Seriously, I have not ever heard of a Texas law limiting rounds or primers. There may be city, township, or municipality laws that apply, but again, how are the powers-that-be going to find out? Not being a smart-a$$, just saying.

Don't ask, don't tell. Why draw attention to yourself? While ignorance of the law is no excuse, being perceived as a dumbass that DIDN'T KNOW does, on occasion, have it's advantage.

wasbeeman, the full quote by Justice Black is:
"Ingnorance of the law is no excuse, where the law is commonly known." If this group doesn't know the answer to a gun question, it's not commonly known.

There are only a few limit's I'm aware of. If you have more then 4 pounds of blackpowder, it must be stored in a proper Magazine. In some local jurisdictions, powder must be stored in it's original shipping container. A few years back the Dems attempted to limit the reloader to 5k primers, but the measure failed. As for Texas, I really couldn't say.

I believe that storage laws vary , by City County State ordinances . IE. If you live within the City limits of a densely populated area
then Fire Dept. Regulations would trump anything else . Live in rural area with acreage a non issue . I don't have a clue as too any actual numbers of primers , powder or loaded rounds .

My advice would is BE CAUTIOUS on HOW and with WHOM you inquire !. You simply may end up on the WRONG side of the Equation ,

In other words YOU may be a PROBLEM and THEY will have a SOLUTION for YOU !!!.

sssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh if know one know then know one cares

I have No ammo!!

I have No primers!!

What is a primer? Must be paint?

Well after wading through the Explosive Regs on the ATF page ammo and ammo components including smokeless powder is exempt. As to other regs or local ones I have no clue.

I did let the local boys at the volunteer fire department know that I have some reloading supplies just encase the house catches on fire. I didn't want anyone to get hurt trying to save a lost cause. I didn't tell them how much I have and don't intend to tell anyone either.

God Bless, Louis

The only limit I can think of is based on NFPA.

http://www.accuratepowder.com/nfpa.htm

I am going to assume that primer means unloaded new in the box. If it included all loaded ammo than the law was misleading to its intent. This is of course there is a limit established by law.

I am also from the school of not drawing attention to oneself.

NFPA is not a law, it's a recommendation.

Or at least that is what is says in the title:

National Fire Protection Association Recommendations
for Transport and Storage

You're right not a law but some localities have codified it. I had to post and run this morning, I should have said guide line not limit.

There may be some localities that have laws on how much ammo you may have. When the Dems were trying to push "reasonable" ammo ideas they counted a primer, a rimfire round or a loaded shell as one round.

I store primers in ammo cans by size. I stor ammo by caliber in cans also. You could base your storage ammount by powder weight per round but that could be time consuming.

For local laws you could seach with yahoo or google. You could also check with your local powder source or fire department.

Depends what state and city your in in most rual area of most resonable states I would guess very few limits. Resonable states are most states not on the east coast and not CA. plus IL.

Stores may only carry a few pounds of powder on shelves....the rest must be in a cabinet.....

There are laws about black powder storage....

I've never read anything about rounds of ammo....

and I seriously doubt there are any regs at all about private storage of smokeless ammo...

I don't have to worry about it..

honest officer I don't even know what a primer is...

and I have NO loaded ammunition.. guns scare me..

and I voted for Obama last election...

but I understand one of my neighbors up the street is growing Marijuana under black lights in his basement...and he is one of those Tea Party Right wing radicals....

and Dont' let those Obama stickers on his Subaru in the drive way deceive you... its just a front...

he belongs to the local militia...

FEI ;Some years back a member of a local Range club had the misfortune , of having his garage door open late one afternoon .
On this particular day the Man's neighbors house caught fire and the fire dept. responded . In doing so from what I was later informed as to what had transpired , the hydrant was out in front of our members house /garage, which was in plain view of his garage with stacked cases of ammo inside . This was the beginning of the end of our member's rights and hobby as he was about to realize !.

Fire dept. called police and the two agency's immediately confiscated the entire allotment of ammo , while evacuating the neighborhood !

Our member was on his way home ran into the hornets nest so to speak ; was arrested on the spot !.He called his attorney and police and fire were made to cease and desist confiscation within the hour .

Now comes the rotten part; Our Range member somehow lost 15-20 cases of ammo no one knows how many pounds of powder maybe 30-45 ?.

Seems as if our member was a sale junkie ( Sound familiar too any of you ? ) When fliers for sales came out he purchased FOR YEARS !. An after several years had accumulated a CRAP LOAD OF SURPLUS Ammo, Powder,reloading supplies in so many different calibers he could of opened a shop .

His attorney was informed that he violated several local State and Federal Laws along with hazardous storage, without proper use permits
( Of which NO ONE could obtain even commercially , let alone in a residential area ). Faced with a total loss his attorney argued that improper procedure and unlawful confiscation would be a law suit forth coming against Fire Law and City enforcement personnel .

In light of this dilemma attorney and prosecutor came to a mutual agreement ; If all ( all but 22 cases which somehow mysteriously disappeared !) were returned our Range member would store contents at the Range magazine and sell 90% of his stock pile .

So That's what was done , Range members were allowed to purchase pretty much whatever they wanted and the proceeds went too Our member ( owner of those Supplies ).

Members as well as the owner were surprised at how little 9mm and .45ACP was available ?!. Guess Police and Fire fighter shoot those !!!

There was MORE THAN ENOUGH OF .223 6.5 .270 7mm 7.5 30/30 .308 30/06 8x57 .338 and even .375 H&H

I personally spend a few bucks and loaded my pickup . I have repeatedly thanked our Member for all those NIFTY DEALS that I got !.

He also informed me with the exception of one other person I was the ONLY other one who ever thanked him !.

An why wouldn't you thank someone who discounted case ammo and bullets by 50% of what they cost him ON SALE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

My advice is what " THEY " don't see , " THEY " don't know about and it can't hurt YOU !!!.

I don't know how many primers or powder is "legal".

I DO know that fire departments are scared as little babies of smokeless powder - even though there's less energy in all the powder in my basement than in the fuel tank of my wife's Audi in the garage....

The big kicker would be your home insurance. Insurance companies routinely limit "hazardous materials storage" in their policies, and if your house goes up, they are going to be looking for an excuse not to pay up. Better not give them one....

'Bout 10 years ago a local competitive shooter had a fire, and the firefighters decided that him being a reloader was enough reason to let his house burn. "too dangerous to fight with all those explosives". Geez, thanks.

Most cities and insurance companies hold to the "National Fire Protection Association" recommendations. One source is at: http://www.beartoothbullets.co...ve_tech_notes.htm/60

FWIW, Dutch.

I operate on the "Don't ask, don't tell" principle.

Rich

I've honestly never heard of limits WRT assembled ammunition; flammable components, yes, but not maximum number of rounds.

To me it would make no sense to have a limit of, e.g., 5000 rounds- the law would see no difference between .22 rimfire and .50 BMG. The potential "firepower" of these two cartridges is notably different.

As for the number of rounds I have on hand- I keep that number to myself. Just my two cents' worth.

If thats a limit per building, put up several small storage buildings. 8 or 10 should about do it.

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Originally posted by Crashbox:
To me it would make no sense to have a limit of, e.g., 5000 rounds- the law would see no difference between .22 rimfire and .50 BMG. The potential "firepower" of these two cartridges is notably different.

Welcome to the forum, Crashbox.

I agree with you on all points, and don't mean to come down on you on the point I quoted above, but I would remind you that there is no IQ test for our legislators, and common sense is not all that common in politics.

Your insurance company would have a greater interest in your ammunition and/or components storage than your legal system, except perhaps for fire regulations. If one lives in a condominium, the condo association might have rules, too.

When you live in a society, you put up with a lot of intrusion.

Sorry I don't have actual laws to cite.

Lost Sheep

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Originally posted by vapodog:
Stores may only carry a few pounds of powder on shelves....the rest must be in a cabinet.....

Must be a local requirement for where you live. Our local Sportsman Warehouse has hundreds of pounds of powder and at least 75K of primers on the shelf the last time I was there.