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I have a few bench rest quality seating dies yet I stil foind seating depth can very +/- .002 for a total of about .004. Is this normal or do I need a better quality press?


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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If you are measuring from the tip of the bullet I would call that fantastic. Bullet variation is greater than that.

Even from the Ogive I sure wouldn't lose any sleep over it.


As usual just my $.02
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Mike, the difference is in the ogive of the bullet. Use something like the StoneyPoint tool for OAL and measure just the bullets from base to ogive at close to bore dia. and you will see that they pretty close. Now when you measure them close to the tip where the seating die touches the bullet it varies a lot more. This is probably for the difference you get.
 
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Bullet lengths vary. Bullet seaters push on the ogive. You are measuring from the tip.

Just seat the bullets deep enough so all your ammo will feed through the magazine.
 
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Mike, As all reloaders do we try to get the most consistant results possible. Also as stated above the methods of measurment can affect the outcome. I would add however that cleaning and chamfering the inside of the necks as well as concentric wall thickness can reduce the runout factor in over all length. IMHO






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Thanks guys...I tried the Stoney Point thing once...but I am not smart enough to use it jumping...I tried it once but just got confused bewildered


Mike

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Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Originally posted by Mike_Dettorre:
Thanks guys...I tried the Stoney Point thing once...but I am not smart enough to use it jumping...I tried it once but just got confused bewildered


Hey Mike

I'm sure Hot Core could clue you in on how to use the Stoney Point thingy. Big Grin


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Originally posted by Mike_Dettorre:
Thanks guys...I tried the Stoney Point thing once...but I am not smart enough to use it jumping...I tried it once but just got confused bewildered


Hey Mike

I'm sure Hot Core could clue you in on how to use the Stoney Point thingy. Big Grin
Sure, be glad to. Find someone who Reloads that you want to drive crazy, like someone you shoot against to see who buys Supper. Then simply - give them the Thingy! Big Grin If you don't feel that evil, toss it in the trash.

You can easily measure from the Ogive to the Casehead by slipping a "Socket" out of your tool box over the bullet tip. Use the largest socket you have that will not slip past, Then measure from the Socket to Casehead.

Simclair makes a Bullet Comparitor which is a large Hex Nut with one hole in each of the flats(6-holes) that does the same job as using a Socket.
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I agree with 308Sako that good Case Prep can also help. I suppose some Presses could be "springy enough" to induce some variation. Just never thought about it.

Oh yes, one other thing you could do is simply change from "OCL to ODL" and totally forget about measuring the Ogive to Casehead distance. That is what I've been doing for a long time and it works fine for me.

Best of luck to you(and especially who ever you give the Thingy Wink).
 
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ODL??? what's that...


Mike

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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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I found the Stoney point tool to work perfect first time everytime. It works great for measuring the head to ogive distance as well as measuring the head to shoulder lengths. It is much more convenient to use then Sinclair's nut although it is much better than nothing.
 
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Well it is not a matter of working...I bought one about 20 years ago...read throught the directions once and got a headache...sent it back.


Mike

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Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Mike,

I solved that problem by going to Wilson dies for bullet seating. I don't use a regular press for that job any longer. I use an arbor press.

Don




 
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i found a bonanza co-ax press easier to adjust dies. the die slips into the press instead of screwing it into the press. die adjustments are consistant no matter how many times you place the die into the press.
 
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ODL??? what's that...
Hey Mike Overall (Seating) Die Length. You can find the info about changing from OCL to ODL here. If you go this route, changing the Seating Depth to any distance you want "Off-the-Lands" or "Into-the-Lands" is a simple matter. All you need to know is the "Kiss-the-Lands" ODL for the Set-Up Bullet, then adjust the ODL for the amout you want.
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I've thought a bit more about your original question and believe the reason it has not concerned me is because I've always used an RCBS Rock Chucker Press and have been very happy with them. However, a califoney buddy has bought all kinds of Presses and tells me the Foster Coax is as good as it gets. He might be correct, I don't know.
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...read throught the directions once and got a headache...
clap Yes indeed, I call them a "Tie" with Wine Coolers for doing just that. beer
 
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I agree wth your Buddy in Cali Hotcore
 
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I found the Stoney point tool to work perfect first time everytime. It works great for measuring the head to ogive distance as well as measuring the head to shoulder lengths. It is much more convenient to use then Sinclair's nut although it is much better than nothing.


+1

I guess there are 2 kinds of us reloaders, those of us who can and those of us who can't (or won't try)! clap


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