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Anybody remember the name of that chemical that permanently stains brass black? No, I don't want to camouflage my brass, but I was thinking that with an inkpad, some "chemical X" and a rubber stamp set I could create groups of brass and keep them segregated throughout the shooting, cleaning and reloading process. Dean Grennell mentioned marking brass by dipping in this stuff in one of his reloading books. Careful use of a stamp would be more useful. I have a lot of brass. Paul | ||
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Well, this is a bit long, but since it is exactly what you are looking for (and then some!), I'll post it. This will tell you how to make brass black, and a lot of other colours too. jpb ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The Coloring of Brass by Royce W. Beal written on 17 March 1995 specifically for the readers of the rec.guns newsgroup. questions should be directed to me at SLQZ4@CC.USU.EDU Read this entire essay before attempting any one treatment. If you choose to just "cut and paste" part of this, please make sure you get the safety instructions and warnings after the recipes. Under no circumstances do I consider myself liable for any accidents which occur while using any of these chemicals. Also, I do not consider myself an expert in this field and am still doing research for the FAQ. This will be a temporary article. Because I am still experimenting, I cannot vouch for all of these colors. Concentrations and conditions DO matter. (Concentration is more important than actual volume, so if you want to use less, make sure that you use proportionately less of each ingredient) If you want good results follow the recipes closely. Above all it is important that the brass surfaces be clean. This means an extra hour or so in the tumbler for the cases and then touch them only sparingly. I have tried to collate recipes which will require the acquisition of the more common chemicals. I have also tried to steer clear of the really hazardous arsenic and cyanide salts (which you probably can't get anyway) If you feel that you've been cheated by this, please refer to the references section of this report and find the books for yourself in any well stocked library. It is my understanding that these are all surface coatings and should not damage or weaken the brass. Obviously you will want to do this treatment with unprimed brass. DO NOT USE METAL UTENSILS (OK maybe stainless steel) Glass or Plastic containers are the preference. If you are really worried about what this is going to do to your brass, refer again to the reference section below. TIFFANY GREEN Copper Sulfate.................8 ounces Ammonium Chloride..............4 ounces Sodium Chloride................4 ounces Zinc Chloride..................1 ounce Acetic Acid....................2 ounces Water..........................1 gallon VERDE Copper Nitrate.................16 ounces Ammonium Chloride..............4 ounces Acetic Acid....................1 quart Water..........................1 gallon GREEN Iron (ferric) Nitrate.........2 ounces ( Fe(III)(NO3)3) Sodium Hyposulphite............8 ounces Water..........................1 gallon (use at boiling temperature, brass can be immersed or the solution may be "painted" on) HARDWARE GREEN Iron (ferric) Nitrate..........1 ounce (Fe(III)(NO3)3) Sodium Thiosulfate.............6 ounces Water..........................1 gallon (use at 160F) RED Iron (ferric) Nitrate..........6 ounces (Fe(III)(NO3)3) Sodium hyposulphite............6 ounces Water..........................1 gallon (use at 170F will speed up this reaction) BLUE Sodium Hyposulphite............8 ounces Lead Acetate...................4 ounces Water..........................1 gallon (use at boiling temperature) or Lead Acetate...................2 to 4 ounces Sodium Thiosulfate.............8 ounces Acetic Acid....................4 ounces Water..........................1 gallon (use at 180F. This color will change if not lacquered [DO NOT LACQUER FIREARM CARTRIDGES] Take your chances with the color change.) BLUE BLACK Copper Carbonate...............1 pound Ammonium Hydroxide.............1 quart Water..........................3 quarts (Add the water after the carbonate and hydroxide have been mixed. There must be excess Copper Carbonate. Use at 175F. This color can be fixed (made more permanent) by quickly dipping in a 2.5% Sodium Hydroxide solution.) BLACK Ammonium Hydrosulfide...........2.25 ounces Potassium sulfide...............1 ounce Water...........................1 gallon (use at room temperature or COOLER for best results) BROWN Potassium Chlorate..............5.5 ounces Nickel Sulfate..................2.75 ounces Copper Sulfate..................24 ounces Water...........................1 gallon (use at boiling temperature) SAFETY 1. NEVER taste any of these chemicals. 2. Keep very far out of the reach of children. 3. Most Nitrates are good oxidizing agents and should not be stored with anything flammable. 4. Acetic Acid has a VERY strong pungent odor. Use in well ventilated areas. This acid can be airborne in vapor form. If you feel that you have breathed enough of it to feel uncomfortable, leave the area and drink a carbonated soft drink. "Have a Coke" Do not underestimate this chemical. 5. Many of these chemicals may stain your skin or clothing. Wear rubber gloves and protective clothing including glasses of some sort. 6. Steam can cause serious burns. Solutions of salts can actually exceed the boiling point of water. The steam from these solutions can be very dangerous. BE CAREFUL WITH STEAM AND BOILING SOLUTIONS. 7. Feel free to change concentrations for experimentation purposes but do not change the ingredients in any one recipe. 8. Always be fully awake and alert around chemicals. CONVERSIONS AND INTERPRETATIONS Ounces are assumably troy ounces, even when dealing with liquids or solutions. Do not use fluid ounces. 1 ounce = 31.103 grams = 480 grains 1 quart = 0.25 gallon = 946.4 mL 1 gallon = 3.785 L REFERENCES Meyer, Walter R. title Plating and Finishing Guidebook ninth edition - 1940 pp.72-75 (cited) Metal Finishing Guidebook twenty-eighth edition - 1960 article by Hall, Nathaniel title Coloring of Metals pp. 477-479 (cited) Krause, Hugo title Metal Coloring and Finishing (not cited) Hiorns, A. H. title Metal Coloring (not cited) Field, S and Bonney, S.R. title Chemical Coloring of Meta ls (not cited) -Royce ********************************************************************** Message 13 Date Fri, 29 Mar 2002 101407 -1000 From Reese <reeza@hawaii.rr.com> Subject Re Blacking brass At 0835 AM 3/29/2002 -0500, Roy Wilson wrote >On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 050432 -0800, Keith Whaley wrote > >>I wouldn't call that a "common household chemical," but... > > No, he's right. There is some kitchen chemical that will do it, >I've seen it before. Still too much blood in my caffiene stream to >remember what it was now, though. > > Ammonia fumes, maybe? Manual of Formulas, ISBN 1-55918-036-6 (reprinted by Lindsay) reports one formula (of four) that happens to include Ammonia water, it also includes some other stuff #4 Ammonia Water 16 cc Ammonium hydroxide, strong 16 cc Water 16 cc Sodium Carbonate 1 gm Add to the above, copper carbonate powder until no more of the powder will dissolve. Immerse the brass article in the heated solution. It also reports some formulas for green, brown, steel gray, silver, and violet. Not to mention, solutions for some other metals. Reese ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | |||
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It's called Brass Black, it doesn't work very well on tarnished or dirty brass. Clean the brass first with steel wool to make the chemicals color better. | |||
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Brass Black? Now why didn't I think of that? The mixing of chemicals is a bit intimidating for me. I shied away from chemistry even in high school. If I can find some already mixed Brass Black I would prefer to go with that. Boiling the brass in alcohol will remove any oil and not leave a residue. Thanks guys. That was very interesting reading. Paul | |||
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