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I have about 20 pounds of smokeless powder and several(5?) thousand primers down in the lower 48 that I would like to mail to myself up here in Alaska. I am wondering: can a private individual ship hasmat items such as smokeless powder and primers? I know that it has to be shipped in a special double walled box that is rated for such hasmat items and had to me marked as such. I guess my real question is: will UPS or Fed-Ex accept properly packaged and marked hasmat(powder and primers) from a private individual? I seem to remember that the shipper was required to be "hasmat certified" or something like that. If anyone has knowledge of the rules I would sure appreciate your insight. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | ||
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FEDEX may but the cost is very high; probably more than 20 pounds of powder is worth. The ORMD forms and regualtions, packing, pre approval, etc., and it has to fly overnight express as no ground to AK. I sent some shotshells with an old English double and it was hundreds of dollars for a few boxes of shells. You may want to try a barge or if you know of a mate who is driving up but I don't know the limits the Canada gov't puts on powder and primer quantity. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Powder is not an ORM-D item (ammo is); it is a flammable solid. Fed Ex, or UPS will not ship ammo to Alaska; powder and primers are hazardous materials; no go to Alaska. They classify black and smokeless powder together, which proves they don't know what they are doing. I inherited ammo and powder about ten years ago from a friend who moved to Alaska; he left behind about 100 pounds of it; to me. Not worth moving. FedEx Fact: Cartridges, small arms or Cartridges, power device ORM-D or Limited Quantity materials are prohibited to/from/within Alaska, Hawaii, or Canada. Hazardous materials, including ORM-D and Limited Quantity materials, cannot be shipped to Alaska or Hawaii. So, maybe you have to ferry it up or something. | |||
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I "sold" an 8 pound keg of rifle powder to a guy in another State and assumed I'd just waltz down and pay for shipping and associated fee. NOT SO! Powder can only be packaged and shipped from an Hazmat shipper. I called a dozen approved shippers but they wouldn't mess with a little shipment. They only wanted to talk about the truck load size shipments. I refunded his money and kept the powder. Maybe you'll have better luck! Zeke | |||
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I apperciate all the info guys. dpcd, I agree that it is not worth trying to get it up here. Once I figure out when I will be visiting Wyoming I'll advertised a face to face sale and make a great deal for someone in the SW Wyoming-SLC area. I do have to dissagree with the above statement about Fed-Ex and UPS not shipping powder and primers to Alaska. I just looked into getting stuff from Natchez, Graf's and Powder Valley. Natchez won't ship powder and primers to Alaska but one of the other two will and they quoted me $90 hazmat and $95 shipping to get it up here to Alaska. I found that it is possible/faster/better to order from retailers here in the state and have them ship it via one of our air cargo carrires. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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The information is verbatim from their web sites. Not from me. | |||
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dcpd, Maybe they are using UPS? I apperciate the info. You, along with the others, have convinced me that I am better off making someone a hot deal on the powder and primers that I have instead of shipping it. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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I would get in touch with my friendly FFL dealer and he can ship it for you. You have to pay the Hazmat with powder and probably the primers also and shipped in different boxes..I never sent that much, it would be bloody expensive.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I just looked into this. Powder and primers are a different classification than ammo. You need to be a certified hazmat shipper. This is a DOT thing not an ATF/FFL thing. You can take the class from the carriers. The big mail order houses are obviously certified but it is very unlikely that an individual FFL would be. It is a major endeavor. Not worth the trash unless you are a volume commercial seller | |||
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True, powder + primers are NOT the same as loaded ammo. Ray, you are correct that both have to be shipped separately with the separate hazmat fee. Kinda gets one in the shorts, doesn't it? especially when you as an individual can only own 50 lbs of powder by law + one doesn't start to get a freight break until in that realm. Devil + the deep blue sea. Never mistake motion for action. | |||
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The world has changed! I brought my powder and primers to AK either by the Ferry (one trip) or drive through Canada. The cost for the Ferry went up a lot after my trip and with the troubles now I don't know if that will work. We made several trips through Canada. Per person was 5000 primers and 17# (plus) of smokeless powder. They allowed 5000 pieces of brass and that could be primed. You could get a permit that allowed you to bring more. The powder weight is a metric weight converted to 17 something pounds. Canada allows for 5000 rounds of ammo as well. Most of ours flew up with us over several years on Alaska Air at 50# a trip. If you have powder and or ammo Canada wants to know where the guns are. You either need a form filled out for the guns or a good story to tell them. They treated us very well on every trip. | |||
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Huh? What US law is that? The only restriction I am aware of, and that changes according to the fire department is the amount of powder, just in containers, in a residence. Here, if over 25 pounds it has to be secured in a wood box over an inch thick. Or you can put as much as you want in a garden shed which does not count as residence. | |||
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Thank you LeonardC. That was a lot of good info and it gives me a ton to think about. The powder and primers are really not enough to worry about, but seeing as I might be relocating and/or driving a vehicle up the Alcan at some point in the near future maybe I'll just let my stuff sit and plan to bring it up then. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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I mailed (flat rate) all my magazines and loose bullets. Same with bulk lead. Canada asked about mags on one trip. We only brought rifles and shotguns on one trip and were 100% sure they would be allowed. I think there were only 12 spots for guns on the form. We had 13 so I filled out 2 forms, one for me and one for the Wife. Canada combined both forms and only charged us for one form. | |||
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