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We are currently running two tests. 1. We have several 6.5 Creedmoor rifles, and as they seem to be so popular, we are running an accuracy test. I am shooting all of them with all the factory ammo we have, and all the bullet weights we have. So far we have 4 rifles. 2. I ran a test on a 308 Winchester with and without a silencer. Result showed better accuracy with the silencer. I think this might have been due to the extra weight at the muzzle. Which affects the muzzle vibration. So we made a barrel tuner. I will use the same load used in the silencer test, at different settings. And see if that theory is correct. In the meantime, others here are thinking of other, useful, test to run. Any from our members would be appreciated. | ||
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If you are prepared to do some reloading, it would be interesting to know how big the difference is between "good" cases, and "bad" cases. For example in .308, the difference between Lapua cases and some reloaded military ball cases? | |||
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Recently I had accuracy issues with a new barrel. I don't know for certain but suspected the new barrel was not properly stress relieved. Now have another new barrel, different make and twist rate, installed but no time yet to test it. Perhaps, if it's possible, could a comparison of a known stress relieved and non relieved barrel be tested ? Would be interesting to know how both shoot. Hunting.... it's not everything, it's the only thing. | |||
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Grant, someone recently mentioned a quick way to stress relieve barrels: Hold the barreled action with the barrel pointed down and whack it really hard with a 2 Lbs. (1 Kilo) hammer. You're supposed to make it ring. I can't remember where I saw it, and I don't think that I'd do it with any of my guns. But if I was going to get rid of the barrel anyway, it might be worth a try. Some people swore by it. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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that was Mike's thread. chuckle,, and from about 2-3 years back.. | |||
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I don’t think I would clobber any of my barrels with a hammer! But, yet again, I only buy the best being offered. Never had a single barrel from any of the makers I buy from fail to deliver exceptional accuracy. | |||
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Pretty mundane test but something that has piqued my interest since I've started fooling with lever rifles. Loaded up some 32 Win Special with speer 170 hot cors to suggested COAL of 2.560". With new cases trimmed to minimum of 2.030", the case mouth did not align with the cannelure. No worried per Lee factory crimp die, it will make its own. Always wondered if this potentially affected accuracy, but have read some reports of increased accuracy and lower SD. Any testing been done looking at this? Auburn University BS '09, DVM '17 | |||
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One test that I would personally find interesting, is experiments to find what (if anything) can help ignite slow burning ball powder to get consistent velocities. I have tried a few simple things like different primers, but I have read about a variety of other possibilities, like duplexing with small amounts of pistol powder near the primer. | |||
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Saeed you should not give me an open slate to think about what I would like to test. I am full of stuff I would test if I had the means to test them. Here is a relatively easy one. Years ago I read a hunting book from Africa. I do not remember who or what it was about but one section has always stuck in my mind. The Hunter along with his companions were stuck somewhere well away from camp and had elephants around they were giving them problems. they had ran out of FMJ rounds in their rifles and the soft points were not working on head shots so the hunter took a few of the soft points and pulled them out of the case and reversed them and put them back in the case so the bullet was in backward with the lead soft point in the case and the end of the bullet with the jacket out. They said that this worked just as well as a normal FMJ and they got out of their jam. It would be interesting to see if reversing a round nose soft point would actually function as an FMJ. | |||
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I can tell you they were lying! How the hell did they pull the bullets out while being surrounded by elephants? How the hell did they put the bullets back? I know. Because I have pulled hundreds of bullets. And there is no way you can put them back normally! | |||
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That was Peter Capstick in Ethiopia. He said first time he had seen elephant. Sounded bs anyway. He also said first time was with a client in Zambia, I think Death in the Long Grass DRSS | |||
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I’d like to see the results with different rifles and ammo for the 6.5CM. DRSS | |||
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I am out of the country till next week. Will continue this test and post the results. | |||
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Thanks Saeed. Have a great holiday! I didn’t intend to knock Peter Capstick as I enjoy most of his books. Just when my mind picks up conflicting information it tends to store it! In other words, a head full of sh..  DRSS | |||
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1: use the same can from the .308 on the 6.5's and see what you get (interested mostly because I have a suppressor coming to use on both of my 6.5 CMs). 2: test how far out the factory ammo will group consistently. Then add a light crimp to the ammo and test again. | |||
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I thought the same thing but was giving the author some leeway because maybe they used some tool that they may have had with them. Even if it was BS it would be interesting to see if a bullet loaded and fired backwards would work at all. | |||
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It sounds unlikely, but some people insist on carrying Leatherman-type tools around, and I suppose one might get a bullet out if not crimped. The tip taper might help in putting it back, if tapped with the tool (never mind the noise, elephants), but seating depth could be an issue in a short throat. | |||
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I would bet a stack of my Uncle Sam’s green money that the reloading part of MtElkHunter’s story could be done with nothing more than a jack knife and a flat rock. Converted rounds could be single loaded and would no doubt fire. But what I would not bet on would be anyone’s ability to shoot himself out of an elephant jam with such converted rounds! Not saying, however, that even that could not be done. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Michael Robinson: But what I would not bet on would be anyone’s ability to shoot himself out of an elephant jam with such converted rounds! Not saying, however, that even that could not be done.[/QUOTE I am willing to best a stack of Uncle Sams green Chuck Norris could do it. But, of course, only if betting your US Green Michael Hunting.... it's not everything, it's the only thing. | |||
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Actually we have tried turning bullets backwards. All sorts of results. Bullet broke up. Bullets lost some or all of the lead inside. | |||
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That is what I would have expected. I would think the base of the bullet would not hold up to bring fired. I think whoever said it was Capstick that said this is correct. It been a long time since I have read his books. It is just one of those stories you read about and wonder if the author took liberties or if it really happened. | |||
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I’ve tried the reversing bullets in handguns. Doing this with .38 hollow base wadcutters made de facto varmint bullets/frangible bullets out of them. I had some pressure issues with jacketed handgun bullets (you are changing your headspace relationships there- the full diameter of the case with relation to origin of rifling and the amount of case volume available change. Obviously with low velocity and pressure the bullet tolerates it better. It was enough that aside from the HBWC for use as short range varmint killers I dropped it. The idea was getting expansion out of non expanding bullets. In general, I had big velocity changes and much worse accuracy. Think putting a .45 ACP FMJ bullet in backwards. I did get better expansion… that was about it. Where I had heard it more was trying to make expanding rounds out of old military FMJ ammo for hunting…. I had read Capstick, and thought he was drunk and telling a BS tale, especially after the stuff I did (young and dumb, I guess… ) | |||
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I think it was John Hunter's book, Hunter they told of reversing bullets. They were in the Ngorongoro crater and didnt bring much for solids. | |||
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