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QUESTION ABOUT REDDING COMPETITION SEATING DIES
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I note that on one of the sites where these can be purchased that they say not for use with compressed loads. Are these dies so fragile that seating a bullet against a compressed charge or in a case with a tight neck could damage them? Or would the bullets just not seat to a repeatable depth and consistent cartridge OAL?


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To hold the bullet concentrically, the Bullet Alignment Bore and the Seating Stem have been honed and ground to virtually the same diameter as a jacketed bullet. As a result, the seating stem walls are relatively thin and not as inherently robust as the Seating Plug in a standard Seating Die. Though the Stem is heat treated to make it as strong as possible, it will not endure the excess seating pressure of Compressed Charges. This excess seating pressure will crack the Seating Stem which will, in turn, damage the other internal parts of the Die. Please be mindful because replacement parts are costly and NOT covered under Warranty. Please remember that your Competition Seating Die is a precision instrument and should be used and treated as such. A handloader using this Die to compress powder is tantamount to a machinist using a Micrometer as a C-Clamp.
 
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To hold the bullet concentrically, the Bullet Alignment Bore and the Seating Stem have been honed and ground to virtually the same diameter as a jacketed bullet. As a result, the seating stem walls are relatively thin and not as inherently robust as the Seating Plug in a standard Seating Die. Though the Stem is heat treated to make it as strong as possible, it will not endure the excess seating pressure of Compressed Charges. This excess seating pressure will crack the Seating Stem which will, in turn, damage the other internal parts of the Die. Please be mindful because replacement parts are costly and NOT covered under Warranty. Please remember that your Competition Seating Die is a precision instrument and should be used and treated as such. A handloader using this Die to compress powder is tantamount to a machinist using a Micrometer as a C-Clamp.


Thanks for that. Redding is not very quick about replying to inquiries.


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Redding's Competition Seating Die is indeed sensitive. I use them for most cartridges I regularly load. The Micrometer gives totally repeatable COAL for whatever setting it's turned to. I found the only exception is when loads are starting to become ( only slightly ) compressed then COAL will become 0.1 or .0.2 mm longer than the length the Micrometer is set for. I take that as the signal that no more powder can be added to that load.


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Redding's Competition Seating Die is indeed sensitive. I use them for most cartridges I regularly load. The Micrometer gives totally repeatable COAL for whatever setting it's turned to. I found the only exception is when loads are starting to become ( only slightly ) compressed then COAL will become 0.1 or .0.2 mm longer than the length the Micrometer is set for. I take that as the signal that no more powder can be added to that load.


Do you also find that they are sensitive to resistance from neck tension? For example a case resized with and without an expander present should provide 2 different neck tensions. Would the unexpanded neck provide more resistance than the seater plug can tolerate? Also begs the question why not simply make the seater plug a little larger in diameter along with the requisite increase in size of that part of the die body?


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Originally posted by 30.06king:
Redding's Competition Seating Die is indeed sensitive. I use them for most cartridges I regularly load. The Micrometer gives totally repeatable COAL for whatever setting it's turned to. I found the only exception is when loads are starting to become ( only slightly ) compressed then COAL will become 0.1 or .0.2 mm longer than the length the Micrometer is set for. I take that as the signal that no more powder can be added to that load.


Do you also find that they are sensitive to resistance from neck tension? For example a case resized with and without an expander present should provide 2 different neck tensions. Would the unexpanded neck provide more resistance than the seater plug can tolerate? Also begs the question why not simply make the seater plug a little larger in diameter along with the requisite increase in siz
e of that part of the die body?


I FL size all cases with a neck expander. With the Competition Seater I have never attempted to seat bullets into an unexpanded neck so cannot directly answer your question. However some bullets e.g. Barnes TTSX have a firmer seating "feel" and require slightly more seating force on the press handle compared to Hornady SST bullets. I heve never encountered problems with this. I actually think seating into unexpanded necks has potential to damage the Competition Seater. Personally I wouldn't do it. I guess Redding could beef up the Seater making it stronger. I don't know if this would somehow disrupt the usual loading of very straight rounds with minimal runout.


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The Redding seating stem has a fairly large (for cal.) diameter center hole. If it meets too much resistance it can dent/deform the tip of a conventional cup-core sp or hollow point bullet. I have done this but have not noticed any degradation of accuracy because of it. I am not sure why they are built this way.
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Originally posted by 30.06king:
Redding's Competition Seating Die is indeed sensitive. I use them for most cartridges I regularly load. The Micrometer gives totally repeatable COAL for whatever setting it's turned to. I found the only exception is when loads are starting to become ( only slightly ) compressed then COAL will become 0.1 or .0.2 mm longer than the length the Micrometer is set for. I take that as the signal that no more powder can be added to that load.


Do you also find that they are sensitive to resistance from neck tension? For example a case resized with and without an expander present should provide 2 different neck tensions. Would the unexpanded neck provide more resistance than the seater plug can tolerate? Also begs the question why not simply make the seater plug a little larger in diameter along with the requisite increase in siz
e of that part of the die body?


I FL size all cases with a neck expander. With the Competition Seater I have never attempted to seat bullets into an unexpanded neck so cannot directly answer your question. However some bullets e.g. Barnes TTSX have a firmer seating "feel" and require slightly more seating force on the press handle compared to Hornady SST bullets. I heve never encountered problems with this. I actually think seating into unexpanded necks has potential to damage the Competition Seater. Personally I wouldn't do it. I guess Redding could beef up the Seater making it stronger. I don't know if this would somehow disrupt the usual loading of very straight rounds with minimal runout.


If they ever answer my other question I might ask them about this. I'll be in possession sometime of a 6.5-06. Once I have my load worked up I was going to use some new nickel plated .25-06 cases to make my hunting ammo from. For that I would just prime the case, add powder and seat the bullet with nothing else done other than make sure that the cases chamber in my rifle before doing anything.


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We'll see if they answer my next question. Just got one in. My only complaint is that the box it came in isn't long enough to store the die in once you get it set. Anyone looking for one in 6.5-06 [A Square] there is one on eBay for a good price.

6.5-06 seater

Seller is Blackherron in case the link doesn't work.

Redding did say that a tight neck should be treated in the same manner as a compressed load.


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