In as much as there are more 8x57s in this country than almost any other single cartridge why isn't there any real comprehensive loading data. Is there still liability issues steming from let's say 1888 Mausers? I would like to see data including pressures up to maybe 55,000 psi. What do the reloaders in Europe use? What pressures do German ammo makers load to? Why doesn't this web site recognize this venerable round in its reloading section. Is it the old ho hum no safistication statis?

Thanks, Clark! The info U gave me was really useful.It is printed out and will be studied in detail. I was hoping someone out there had good experimental data (including measured pressure) or near complete factory data perhaps from Europe (Norma,RWS).
Frank Barnes' "Cartridges of the World" gives a pretty good indication of the 8X57's capability but isn't a data oriented text per-say. So again, does anyone have or know where this good stuff is available?

Thanks for the reply and the great info.
I'm not kidding. The list of imported 8mm military rifles is stagering. More than all the mod. 94 30-30s ever built. I can not tell you where I read this but perhaps ,if you're interested, you could check it out.Just think. We bought the German, Chinese, Siamese, Check, Turk, Yugo,Persian, Poland, Ecuador and more and are being used as is. If you run into any acquired data it would be appriciated if you passed it on to me. Thanks again

Bartsche,

here you will find some data for the 8x57IS:

www.reloadersnest.com

www.norma.cc

www.vihtavuori.fi

www.ladedaten.info (Click the button "weiter" /further/ till you find the link "Daten f�r verschiedene Pulversorten" /Data for several powders/)

Best regards,

Fritz

Hey bartsche,

The reason there is no recent data on the 8mm Mauser is because it was popular in this country because many soldiers brought captured rifles home form the military. Commercial loadings were and are available because there were and are hunters using this caliber. Also, there may be many of these rifles being purchased in this country, however, there are apparently fewer and fewer reloaders of this particular caliber.

I have a couple rifles that I purchased that were 8mm Mausers. They are now a .35 Whelen and an 8mm-06. Concerning the latter, I didn't want to reform cases or buy 8mm Mauser cases. However, I did want a rifle that I could reload for that used readily available cases; thus, the 8mm-06. I believe that many American shooters (and reloaders) that have custom rifles made and want to use an 8mm cartridge have their rifles chambered for the '06 wildcat.

Even the 8mm-06 has lost much of its popularity. This may or may not be unfortunate. The round has exceptionally fine ballistics.

Be that as it may, if reloaders were really interested in the 8mm Mauser cartridge the data would be out there and available to everyone.

Just think you have an excellent opportunity to do a little experimenting on your own.

Besides, if there is old data out there, you probably wouldn't want to use it. Powders have changed and there are many new powders that would be applicable to the 8mm Mauser.

Anyhow, that's my 2 cents worth. At least that is why I had an 8mm-06 made.

Good Shooting,

Smoker*

Try http://www.reloadersnest.com/
Hornady has good loads so does Speer. I have been loading and shooting a Turkish 8x57 for the last year and a bit, and love it. My Speer #12 has a 150g bullet going 2900 fps and a 170 doing 2723.The new Hornady load notes show about the same.

Thanks Hawky.
If you run into any data with pressure related numbers please let me know. You are one of many who are enjoying that turk. I whish you continued enjoyable shooting for a long time.

Fritz Kraut, Wow what a great handle. I was thinking of using Erick Manfred Von Bartsche but I thought it might be a little much. I want to thank you for your input. At least one source you gave me was really great. If you run into pressure data please forward. Again thanks Roger

Roger: I don't understand your plea, I fear. There are enough published pressure data around. You must just buy the manuals.

Carcano

KEN WATERS COVERS THE 8X57 PRETTY WELL COVERED IN HIS LATEST PET LOADS BOOK. I BOUGHT IT SEVERAL MONTHS AGO AND TRULY ENJOYED IT. I DONT REMEMBER THE EXACT LOADS, BUT ITS WORTH A LOOK.
GOOD LUCK AND GOOD SHOOTING
ETERRY

Carcano, I have truely an abundant supply of reloading manuals. I may not have the right ones but I find no pressure data in the realm of which the 8x57 is capable.The loads I find w/ pressure data so far are all on the minimum or low side.
Point of interest ; I was loading the 6.5 Carcano when we had to machine cases out of 30-40 , .303 brit. brass or rework the Carcano military brass to accept large rifle boxer primers. Norma hadn't come on the scene with their 6.5x54 or later the Carcano brass. I killed a number of mule deer with my sporterized Carcano carbine. Even with .264 dia. bullets it grouped about 3" at 100 yd. with open sites. I can understand your feeling for the Carcano. I modified mine so I could use a Mauser mod. 95 trigger gaurd and magazine assembly. Fun days.

Carcano!!! "U R Right" my Accurate manuel does have a page indicating reasonable load pressures 4 the 8x57JS. Glad u straightened me out.
My son is making some photos of the Carcano carbine I bagan to sporterize in 1957. If u would like I'll E mail them 2 u. Roger

It seems to me that there's just tons of loading data for the 7.92X57JS round! Agreed, some of it is "wimpy", but it ain't ALL that way!