HI

I had a debate with a friend about which cartridge was the most classic hunting cartridge for plains game.
Which is your preference as the most classic round for plains game, motivate well and why !!

Don't be shy
Cheers
/ JOHAN

Johan

I would say the 318 Westley Richards.

250 grain .330 bullet at 2500, with awesome SD. A classic and a real killer, so I hear.

The 270 Winchester of course! However, only if we're talking about the Northern Plains and Rocky Mountain States of the U.S.A! Beyond that, I haven't a clue!

The reason it's popular here (yes, I have one!) is because it shoots flat, recoils lightly and has enough bullet diameter and weight to work reliably on all varieties of game that inhabit the wide-open spaces of the American West. The fact that Jack O'Connor praised it ceaselessly didn't hurt either!

Brad

[ 06-03-2002, 06:23: Message edited by: Brad ]

The 7x57 Mauser!

JOHAN,

the 30-06, old, accurate and with flat trajectory.

7x64 Brenneke

Hey'
These type topics,evoke many different replies,as it should be.The truth of the matter is the best Classic Plains rifle,is the one you shoot the best,and put down the game,for you to find.Which in turn means you are all correct,because you are naming your favorite cartridge.Nuff said.
1geejay
www.shooting-hunting.com

1geejay

It depends on what aspects and values you lay in the words "classic cartridge for plains game"

/ JOHAN

In the USA that is definitely the 270. In Africa, probably the 7x57, 8x57 or 318. Best everywhere would be the 30-06, IMHO.

Make mine a 270 in a Pre 64 M70 fwt.

I like my 7x57 the most . And yes I do agree with the fact that it is the rifle you shoot the most accurate with is the one you should take with on your next Safari . I also beleive that the .338 Win Mag is also a good choice but have no experience with it on our game.

Rudie

HI

When the debate getts hotter I will post my aces which I have. I'm sure they will cause debate.
/ JOHAN

Saeed

Why has my counter not moved for a while ? I can't delete anything either!

This server is soon like fawlty towers. I bet it's that german savage that runns the show. Does the manual say anything about the software are from walter.hog,Inc? This server is not kosher anymore.

/ JOHAN

[ 06-04-2002, 03:31: Message edited by: JOHAN ]

Strictly plains game, I would go 300H&H in a Mauser or M70. Godd to 400yds & w/ 200gr bullets, you are fine on any of the antelope.

[ 06-04-2002, 06:35: Message edited by: fredj338 ]

Johan... would you clarify which plains you speak of? Are these plains in Mongolia, Russia, Africa, North America...? Knowing what you had in mind WOULD make a difference in answering!

BA

For Africa: Holland�s Super 30 or 9.3x62.

Hermann

[ 06-05-2002, 11:13: Message edited by: aHunter ]

BRAD

To make things crystal clear and eliminate every possible thought about what I mean. YES, all plains game on the globe.

I hope this makes your choice easier??

Cheers
/ JOHAN

I take Classic to mean sucessful.
IMHO based on reading it would be the .303 British.
If you mean Dangerous Game ... Well I don't have a big bore but then again the .303 was used for everything. Not legal now for the big 4 but still effective with good shot placement.

Greg

I agree with amosgreg, the 303 SMLE British would have to win hands down, its been used here in New Zealand since the 20's for both Private and commercial hunting as well AS GOVT hunters.
It has accounted for thousands of Deer ,pigs, thar,chamois and Wapiti(Elk)
Govt cullers in the 30s were accounting for 10,000 animals(deer) a year alone.
In the late 20s when Deer had a bounty, over a 3 year period 48,000 tails were paid bounty on them.
Im sure in Australia it has tagged thousands of animals also.

.303 have tagged a lot of game in OZ especially all the converted 303/25's etc.

hm....
US: 270Win, 300 H&H, 30/30 and maybe the 45/70, 405 Win and a few other BPCR rounds
Canada: Same as above with the addition of 303 British and maybe the 303Epps
Africa: 9.3x62 and the round that killed it 375 H&H

OK Johan, in that case I'd say the 30-06 followed by the 7x57 followed by the 270 followed by the 300 Wby and 300 Win.

Brad

I suppose it depends on how you define classic.

But I would go for the 270 and 300 H&H. Those two and especially the 270, really kicked off the idea of a long range flat shooting rifle firing bullets of approximately military size.

The 303, 7mm and 8mm Mauser and 30/06 were really there because use was being made of military rifles. Also, the 9.3 X 62 and 375 were being used because they were there and worked OK.

But overal my vote would go to the 270, as unlike the 300 H&H it was and is currently used world wide when anyone wants a flat shooting rifle for long distance shooting across the plains.

Mike

For American plains game I like the .270 Winchester. with 130 grain bullets @ 3100 ft/s. Sight it in 3 inches high at one hundred yards and she'll be about 3 inches low at 300 yards and about a foot low at 400 yards with plenty of punch in between for animals up to 400 pounds.

Ok, here's my .02 for American Plains (hell I live in North Dakota). Classic: .270 Winchester 130 gr SP/3000-3100 FPS. My personal choice for plains work: 7mm Rem Mag, 160 Partition/3000-3100 FPS. Don't get me wrong, I use both and I've put alot of rounds through my 270 M-70 Fwt hunting the windbreaks into several deer, but when a mulie is staring at me from the far side of 300 yards in the badlands, gimme my 7mm Rem Mag A-Bolt. I've seen a broad range of modern cartridges used up here from a 220 Swift to 300 Weatherby, but 270s, 30-06s, and 7mm Rem Mags populate most cold hands come deer/elk season.

To me classic means nostalgic! Before there were all of the fine classics mentioned above like the 303British, 30-06, and 8MM Mauser there was the 45-70. Downed more Plains Bufflao than any belted cartridge ever has..!

Dear Friends

Thanks for all your opinions.
My friend and I agreed that 270 win, 7X57, 3006, 9,3X62, 300H&H, 300 Wby were classics to our mind. I also claimed that 7X61 super was a classic ?? This was the big question. I still claim 7X61 super as a classic cartridge. WHY?

281 different types of game has been taken with this caliber by a Danish hunter, Rudolf Sand. I think it qualifies to be classic. I have to work harder on the hunting, 281 different types of game......This make most of us look like morans.

I also noted that accuratereloading forum never has published any reloading data about this round.

Cheers

/ JOHAN

[ 06-10-2002, 20:24: Message edited by: JOHAN ]

For me is most clasic for africa .375H&H for Europe 7x57 and for america .30-06 or .270 BTW I am euro-african hunter so I use at home 6,5x55 or 7x65R. For africa I thing is simply the best side-by-side .375

'nuff said!

270/130 Nosler Partition, in a pre'64 Model 70. Hands down!!

If it worked for Jack O, there can be no argument

R-WEST

Most "classic" I'd say 300 H&H. "Best" I'd say .338 Win Mag..............J

To all those who said the 7x57mm Mauser you are, without a doubt, absolutely, totally, one hundred percent correct. For all those who mentioned other cartridges, you are, my friends, almost right! Tom Purdom

For nostalgia I gotta go with the .318WR but the 30-06 with the long 220 grain soft point is just tough to beat from a practicality standpoint. Plus, in a pinch, you can drop a 220 Barnes solid in there and whack a pachyderm! NEAT!

JMHO,

JohnTheGreek

"CLASSIC" plains-game calibers are: 7x57, 6.5x55, .270, .30-06, 6.5x54 m-s, 8x57, .318 westley-richards, .333 jeffery, 9.3x62, .375 H&H, .300 H&H, and the (9.5x57 m-s, 9.3x57, 9x57); not necessarilly in that order and depending on what part of the globe they were used.

WOW! I forgot the .303(the sun never set on the British Empire). O'K, the .45/70 and .30-40 krag too.

leo: perfect I love my mainly 7x57, 6,5x55 and .375, but of course .303 and .45/70 must be listed....

It seems that you fellas are you the word "classic" in the sense of "any well-known thing thought of as being traditional." I can't speak for any place but the "New World" but over here there is nothing more "classic" for "plains game" than high quality Sharps in .50-100 or .45-110 (actually .50 x 2 1/2 & .45 x 2 7/8). (In a pinch we might also take a rolling block of similar quality). These are true clasic plainsgame rifles!

Oh, by the way, I say this because a million + bison can't be wrong.

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