i usually have gotten Win. brass for reloading(especially for .223) but i just bought a bag for the second time that had a casing w/ a split down the neck. Has anyone has this happen to them with Remington brass? Is one better than the other?

I too have had split Win. brass as of late (last 2 years). But I've had Rem. brass with the flash hole punched severly off center, not that that is all that serious. But still I prefer the harder Win. brass than the softer Rem. brass. That is my preference only. The Rem. brass shows pressure signs earlier (flows) than Winschester. It is also true that due to the thicker Rem. brass, I have found that it will develope slightly higher velocities with less powder. But my preference still goes to Win. brass. It is my belief that Norma is about the same hardness as Win. but I am not certain of that. I do know it (Norma) is a very good quality brass as far as dimensions and not having the above mentioned deficiencies. Just a observation.

Nowadays near as I can tell, it's six of one and half a dozen of the other. Just another observation.

Chalk it up to Obama. The component manufacturers are running at record pace without adding workers as they know the demand will end and they will have to layoff/payoff. QC has to drop a bit from the shear volume. I am not buying any components until things calm down if at all possible due to this, or buy 100 pieces in hopes of getting 50 good ones(acceptable to me) or at least 40.

Win Brass has served me very well on straight walled pistol cartridges. I have found very little slits or pocket deformity.

As Far as rifle cartridges, I have had better luck with Remmington than with WW. And I do highly recommend that you cull through all cases, especially new ones these days as quality is a bit lacking. I find about 1 in every 250 new cases requires that I toss them.

The problem with that, Airgun, is that when "things calm down", if Obama & Biden have their way, there won't be any need for components.

I like just about any of the brands but Federal. I prefer Lapua, RWS, Norma, Nosler, Hornady, Win, RP & Fed last.

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Is one better than the other?

Winchester is a hair better IMO. But shop by price as brass changes from lot to lot, day to day.

I like WW brass. It weights less than Rem, so Rem will be a hotter loaded the same. Ive had some WW brass split/crack necks early but I just anneal and seems to solve the problem, and some no problem withcracks at all. I aneal new brass or right after the first time loaded and every four or five loads

Whatever is easiest to get where you are. Over the years, I have gotten good service from Remington but can't say I've made any comparisons. I use Lapua in a couple of target rifles but that's a different story.
I began using Remington for the very scientific reason of that's what the little gun shop carried when I began reloading.

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Is one better than the other?

Not really. It's different but only by a small amount. Which is "better" is a relitive thing, what do you mean by better?

A few more reloads before failure? Probably Remington.

A tad more powder for a tad faster load? Probably Winchester.

Potential accuracy difference? On average, there ain't any difference.

If you're so offput by finding split necks in your new brass, thus not getting your money's worth, my suggestion would be to buy Lapua brass. I've never found a defect in their product.

I wonder if Winchester would replace defective brass if you notified them? Couldn't hurt to ask.

i usually buy rem. but,to me it really dosnt make any different. federal makes good brass to..

It's like asking if you like Chevys or Fords.
They each have their followers. Each gets the job done.

+1 with Airgun1 Hold off buying if you can.

muck

I used to be a Winchester man through and through, but no longer!
After buying several bags in different calibres and loading them, I found dimpled spots on some necks, and a lot of it would crack the neck on the first firing.
I switched to Remington in all calibres and have not seen one split neck yet!
The only Winchester brass I have (257Bob w-w super) is annealed before use 'cause it's for my 257AI, it's the best brass I've ever used in it.

As a side note, can anyone tell me if "w-w super" brass is still being made? I have not seen that headstamp on any Win brass for quite a few years.

I used to think that W-W Super marked breass was intended for reloaders and Winchester headstamp for factory ammo.

Now I think it is more of a case of old tooling vs newer replacement tooling. I say this because the lower volume cartridges typically remain W-W- Super because they haven't been used as much and haven't needed replaced yet.

I see WW Supewrs in 257 Roberts, 257 Roberts +P, 220 Swift, 375 H&H etc.

30-06, 223 Rem is Winchester marked as examples.

Bottomline, who has the true fact? I would be interested to know as well.

It used to be that Winchester and Remington brass was as good as it got.

Now, I keep on reading about defects with branded brass.

And I think it is a trend.

Brass manufacturers must have gotten sloppy. Have they offshored their facilities to Communist block countries or third world nations?

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Originally posted by SlamFire:
It used to be that Winchester and Remington brass was as good as it got.

Now, I keep on reading about defects with branded brass.

And I think it is a trend.

Brass manufacturers must have gotten sloppy. Have they offshored their facilities to Communist block countries or third world nations?

With the run on reloading components as well as loaded cartridges over the past couple years it wouldn't surprise me if some manufactures hadn't gone "off shore". We were buying it up faster way faster than they could make the stuff. It is a great way to meet a huge increase in demand without the millions of dollars invested in machines, men, and buildings. Only to see the demand dry up. Leaving the company holding huge debit with little prospect of return on the investment. Not to mention all the new employees who will have to be laid off.
Sorry for the soap box thing.

muck

I've been very happy with Winchester brass in many calibers. I did get a few duds in a batch of 500 30-06 cases. Winchester more than made up for it with coupons. Wish Win would come out with RUM brass.

That said I stick to Lapua and Norma for tighter chamber custom rifles.