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 Well it is said that if you discuss something enough-it might just happen to you! With all the discussion of Federal primers exploding in a Lee auto loader and other examples of it happening, well it happened to me tonight for the first time! Not in the auto primer and not with a Federal primer. I have always been careful and took my time reloading and did it when I had my mind completly on just doing that. Tonight I was loading some Remington 9 1/2 primers in the auto loader and let one get upside down and it loaded into the case. Well I had done this before a few times and didn't have any problem removing it. This time I took one leg of a small sharp sissors and removed the anvil. The I held the case Horizonal with my body and begin to clean the primer material out so I could then punch out the primer. Just as I srarted to clean it out it exploded. It didn't hurt me any but scared me pretty good. I should have slowed down and let it sit in some oil over night like I have done before without any problem. One short cut, one explosion, one scared cat! Quit for the night and sent this along everyone. | ||
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Sucks that happened, but glad to hear you didn't lose any body parts. FiSTers... Running is useless. | |||
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Thank you Thank you Thank you and "Good on ya " for not getting hurt. Now I feel REAL stupid cause I smashed a BMG primer into the press and dug it out with an exacto knife. (Last night even) no boom but now I know it was just luck, I won't do that again. Thanks again fer sharin' | |||
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I bet that got your attention! Glad to hear you are all in one piece still. I've always maintained, that if you shoot or reload long enough, you'll eventually make all the mistakes possible. Sometimes, I think we are more at risk, the more experienced we become, and perhaps let our experience cause us to become complacent. - mike ********************* The rifle is a noble weapon... It entices its bearer into primeval forests, into mountains and deserts untenanted by man. - Horace Kephart | |||
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Collins, if you have a 50 BMG primer go off in your face you're gonna bleed. Don't be foolish with those things. On the subject of removing upside down primers, quick and easy way is to use a universal decapper and punch it out...gently. UDs contain the entire case so the only outlet is the hole in the middle of your shell holder. Wrap a rag around the press in that vicinity, wear glasses or both. I've not popped one off doing that yet but have no safety concerns with the process.  If yuro'e corseseyd and dsyelixc can you siltl raed oaky? | |||
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 Never thought of using the decapper like that. I had a lee decapper set up and see where you might ease one out with it especially with a rag around it. Man don't dig those primers out! They can explode! Still pissed off at myself for it but hope a few people can use this to keep from getting hurt.  | |||
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If the case is worth that much and has to be salvaged , use your resizing die!!! I have decapped ALOT of primed cases and NEVER had this experiance. whats the matter with you  If it cant be Grown it has to be Mined! Devoted member of Newmont mining company Underground Mine rescue team. Carlin East,Deep Star ,Leeville,Deep Post ,Chukar and now Exodus Where next? Pete Bajo to train newbies on long hole stoping and proper blasting techniques. Back to Exodus mine again learning teaching and operating autonomous loaders in the underground. Bringing everyday life to most individuals 8' at a time! | |||
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Ditto, just put the case into the sizer & go slow. I've never had a problem removing live primers this way, upside down or not! LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT! | |||
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Since you are talking about primer dangers, remember that if you use a priming tube to periodically clean it. Primer dust can eventually build up until it can do what you saw happen when you dug into the primer. The difference is that it is likely to happen with a full stack of primers on top and be much more devastating. When I first got my Dillon 650 I talked with the Dillon folks and they were very specific about cleaning out the primer tubes. The Dillon 650 even has a thick steel tube surrounding the primer tube to direct the blast up and hopefully away from you. RELOAD - ITS FUN! | |||
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MHO, you must be reading my mind. The longer we associate ourselves with these dangerous instruments the surer we are to be a party to an accident of some obscure type! I am not joking here I too believe that the familiarity will be my undoing, so be it.  Member NRA, SCI- Life #358 28+ years now! DRSS, double owner-shooter since 1983, O/U .30-06 Browning Continental set. | |||
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I second that! I've removed a number of upside down primers each year for the past 48 years. I demonstrate to other loaders how you can completly crush a primer in a vise. Done this dozens of times with no mishap. Than hit the vise jaw with a hammer. Goes off every time. Now if you try this please use a lot of inteligence and safe handeling.  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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I have also removed alot of live primers over the years. But this was the first one to explode. It is amazing how you send along some thing that may help someone and a few idiots act like you are dumb and brag about how they have never had any problem like that. Not the point anyway! Hope it helps someone from getting hurt. And for those that have never had a problem good but-watch out! I never had a problem either until last night.  | |||
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Well seems I am talking like an idiot myself this AM. Without bragging I can say over the years I have taken out a few primers, but they wern't live. They were live but I killed them before doing anything to them. I simply set them in a small dish of motor oil over night and then you can drill them, use a sledge hammer on them, weld them, pick them out or use the dies without worrying about them. I knew this, did this before but took a quick short cut and BANG! To me, and this is just me, it is the safest way to go. Deaden it and die it or pick it, etc, and that is what I always did. And for me anyway, it is the only way after last night. | |||
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Blob 1 thank you for giving your time to write about your mishap so the rest of us can gain more knowledge about a hobby we all love. I have never experienced any problems with decaping live primers as I usually spray them with wd-40, wait 30 min., then decap in loading die. I did one time have a primed case fall off the loading bench and primer blew when it hit the floor (scared the %$#@ out of me) how does something that tiny make so much noise!!! load safely, bill | |||
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Blob1 If I offended you I appoligize that was not my intent. If it cant be Grown it has to be Mined! Devoted member of Newmont mining company Underground Mine rescue team. Carlin East,Deep Star ,Leeville,Deep Post ,Chukar and now Exodus Where next? Pete Bajo to train newbies on long hole stoping and proper blasting techniques. Back to Exodus mine again learning teaching and operating autonomous loaders in the underground. Bringing everyday life to most individuals 8' at a time! | |||
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Hey Bob, Don't feel bad at all. Speaks real well of you for sharing the incident so the Beginners can learn from it. Just a couple of months ago, "denton" was recommending that a person use a sharp pointed tool to hammer against the anvil(through the flash-hole) of a (properly) Seated Live Primer to remove it. It earned him the record for the "World's Most Ignorant Reloading Suggestion of ALL TIME". Even though yours ignited, it most certainly doesn't come close to denton's recommendation - pitiful! | |||
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What I posted was not intended to show this forum how smart I am and how dumb(your word)you are. The intent was to indicate that the removal of an upside down live primer could be done safely. Primers are designed to go off on impact ( kenetic energy ). They are not designed to go off with just ordinary force alone. It appears that they will go off if the priming mixture is scraped as you have so adequatly demonstrared. Thank you for the knowledge. In the way of a suggestion, If you continue to post as much as you have been, it may behove you to modify that thin skin attitude and be a little less defensive. Any thing prior to this statement was not intended to be a criticism.  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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A friend had a whole primer tube go off in a Dillon 550 not long ago. It had about 80 primers in it at the time. Evrything was contained but he was a little deaf for a couple days. He said the steel shield did what it was supposed to do. I've used a Dillon for years and the only primer I ever had go off was using an inertial bullet puller. That one got my attention! I never had a case valuable enough to dig a live primer out of it. I have some I had machined out of brass and they ain't even pricey einough to mess with primers. I'd rather mess with magnesium dynamite. Anything Worth Doing Is Worth Overdoing. | |||
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Irrelevant, incorrect, childish. Prove all things; hold fast to that which is good. | |||
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I humbly aplogize to everyone for using the word idiot and not understanding what was being written. But I was still shaking and mad at myself when I wrote it. Sorry folks! | |||
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Hey Guy, Worry not, anyone who is not just a bit shaken by the first experience like this does not understand the potential. We just try to figure out how to avoid it happening again. Not using a pointy object to pry at the anvil sounds like a good idea. I have found that using the decapping pin in a die seems to work pretty well ... but i always assume that a detonation could occur and tape precautions to limit the damage. Mike -------------- DRSS, Womper's Club, NRA Life Member/Charter Member NRA Golden Eagles ... Knifemaker, http://www.mstarling.com | |||
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I've deprimed many live primers over the years with no problems. The one primer that let go while being inserted was in a Lee reloader where you hammer the primer in (dumb idea). Anyone that picks at a live primer should expect excitement. Good luck! | |||
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Glad you're OK! Guess it pays to wear safety glasses when loading as well as when shooting! If you had just removed it with a decapping pin like you would a fired primer, this would not have happened! I have decapped a number of upside-down primers with a Lyman 310 tool decapping chamber with no ill effects. Just add pressure SLOWLY! "Bitte, trinks du nicht das Wasser. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen." | |||
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Hey Bob, I just went back and brought the "World's Most Ignorant Reloading Suggestion" thread forward. Now you can see if denton's above claim is true or Full-of-Beans(as usual). https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2511043/m/322108091 While I'm taking the time, I'll post my Favorite denton quote OF ALL TIME:
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Hot Core, we are glad to have you around. We need a good class clown. What you have posted is totally irrelevant to the discussion at hand. But, since you brought it up: What I did say, I later retracted as being unsafe, and you know that. You are deliberately misrepresenting what I have said. I also posted
Which I think closes the issue.
No you're not. You're a phony.
He has also posted this about me:
How childish. But I am glad to see that Hot Core is seeing a doctor about his problems. Keep the fabrications coming, Hot Core. We need a good laugh. Prove all things; hold fast to that which is good. | |||
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That is entirely why I strictly hand prime! cheers seafire | |||
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I was using a lee hand auto primer and have for some time, but the short cut I took is what made it explode. Understand the slight pressure using the decapper would work. Be safe! | |||
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Blob, I use AUTO nothing when it comes to handloading.... I use a beam scale not an electronic.... I don't use any of those little spendy trendy automatic tools either..... the more personal control I have over it the less I have to worry about.... cheers seafire | |||
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There are two kinds of handloaders....Those who have made a mistake and those who are going to. If we didn't make mistaieks there wouldnt be such things as bullet pullers or stuck case removers. The thing to remember about primers is that they are true explosives, so high pressure and sharp blows will make them explode, one can't ever be too careful. Glad you're ok. Boycott Natchez Shooters Supplies, Inc | |||
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Yeah you are right about the mistakes. I was just remembering that like an idiot , although I had my prescription glasses on, I was looking directly at the primer about 10 inches from my face   when I removed the anvil. Then turning it the first little scrape blew it up. But the most important thing I learned is don't reload when you are pissed at something or your mind is off in another state somewhwere. Usually I take my time and comsentrate but something was bothering me at the time. | |||
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Hey johnnypaul why the boycott Natchez Shooters and Supplies slogen? Man I told about a Midway screw up and caught a big bunch of flack for it. | |||
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