Re: For those of you considering D&R Sports...

12 December 2004, 10:56

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And FWIW, I wasn't trying to rile you, it just seemed you didn't understand why he paid with a money order vs. the CC. I fully agree that using a CC is a much safer, and usually much faster way to buy, particularly online.

P.S. The issue of not getting what he paid for aside, I think it is a bit ridiculous for it to take over 3 weeks to get a refund check. After all, the seller got the original MO in about 4 days. Seems the mail should run nearly as fast in the opposite direction, no?

I don't trust basicly paying cash for anything done over the internet. Just doesn't allow for much room to fallback and keep fighting, its more like puting out of the endzone. I know its nice to save 3+% just not in your better interest when there is a problem. As far as cutting the check, I have seen credits take 3 weeks to post on a CC, so nothing is a surprise. I have battled a few retailers already for fraudulent practices and don't care for how much a pain in the ass it is. One moron charged my CC, claimed it was shipped and i never got the package. They couldn't give me the tracking number either. I called them daily untill they hungup on me daily, then i got the CC company involved.

08 December 2004, 08:05

clark98ut

I just want to make sure everybody sees this...

http://www.accuratereloading.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=863843&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&fpart=1

08 December 2004, 10:14

LoneEagle

That really sucks, but when I bought from them I didn't have any problems. Sean

08 December 2004, 11:17

Hellrazor

Make sure you post that link everyplace on the planet, i am sure no business ever screwed up before. First off, sending a money order wasn't very bright for a phone or internet order. Thats what plastic is for. Secondly, whining every other day on here isn't going to help a bit.

08 December 2004, 12:13

clark98ut

Well since you apparently know everything, tell me what else I can do? I've called, filed with the BBB, filed a complaint with the Postal Service, etc. And there is a reason for a Postal Money Order, and that was to cover my butt in case something like this happened.

08 December 2004, 12:51

F6Hawk

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Make sure you post that link everyplace on the planet, i am sure no business ever screwed up before. First off, sending a money order wasn't very bright for a phone or internet order. Thats what plastic is for. Secondly, whining every other day on here isn't going to help a bit.

You sound like you don't have much experience with ordering online, particularly with the gun dealers. Money orders are THE WAY to go, unless you want to pay an extra 3-8% markup.

And while I agree that "whining every other day on here" would be a bit much, he isn't quite that bad. And he is doing a service by posting his situation. If he didn't, and you had a problem, but didn't mention it, and I didn't... well, you get the point. Perhaps there should be a forum for complaints such as this, other boards have them.

Some have good experiences, some have bad, but it's always nice to know everything when going into a transaction involving several hundred dollars, particularly when you have to trust some potential schmuck clear across the country.

08 December 2004, 13:30

Hot Core

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09 December 2004, 11:57

Hellrazor

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You sound like you don't have much experience with ordering online, particularly with the gun dealers. Money orders are THE WAY to go, unless you want to pay an extra 3-8% markup.

Well, guess that means the CC i have and use solely for ordering online must be imaginary. Must be a dream the year end statement is usually inbetween $5-6k. People who complain about getting a check cut and returned obviously don't get credits on a CC very much. Unless you really are lucky, they take about 2 weeks to post. Depends on the company involved.

09 December 2004, 13:04

F6Hawk

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Well, guess that means the CC i have and use solely for ordering online must be imaginary. Must be a dream the year end statement is usually inbetween $5-6k. People who complain about getting a check cut and returned obviously don't get credits on a CC very much. Unless you really are lucky, they take about 2 weeks to post. Depends on the company involved.

I didn't mean to say you don't use one altogether, because you obviously DO use one. As do I, and I am sure Clark does, as well. And while MOST avenues of purchase openly welcome CC purchases, that does not seem to hold true for gun dealers. Visit gunbroker dot com, or auctionarms dot com, and you will see that 90% or more deals will accept CC, but charge more for the transaction (hence my 3-8% remark). Most are only about 3%, which I assume is the amount the CC company charges them as a merchant, but if I can save 3% on a $500 purchase, I will gladly cut a money order and wait an additional 3-4 days to receive my goods. That will usually pay for the shipping.

Do I have much experience to base this process on? Well, a quick look at Quicken tells me I have paid $39,443 to my CC this year, and probably 20-25% of that is online purchases.

And FWIW, I wasn't trying to rile you, it just seemed you didn't understand why he paid with a money order vs. the CC. I fully agree that using a CC is a much safer, and usually much faster way to buy, particularly online.

P.S. The issue of not getting what he paid for aside, I think it is a bit ridiculous for it to take over 3 weeks to get a refund check. After all, the seller got the original MO in about 4 days. Seems the mail should run nearly as fast in the opposite direction, no?

09 December 2004, 14:34

POP

Dealt with them countless times and bought lots of guns thrue them. Never a single problem.

11 December 2004, 17:15

Clark

I called up an established carpet company and ordered carpet to be installed "water fall style" on treads without risers. The installers said that they were not paid enough for anything but "3/4 wrap". I sent them away. The carpet company said I must pay anyway, as there was nothing in writing.

I then said, "I am going to contest the charge with the credit card company."

I was immediately offered "waterfall style" installation for the original price.

I told them there were too many bad feeling for such a short relationship, and I was getting all my money back, and shop elsewhere.

What does it all mean?

Credit cards are insurance against being unsatisfied.

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