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| I have found that 6.0g of Unique with a 230g FMJ is a great plinking round in my various Glocks and Colt pistols. I purchase Hydra Shocks for my defense rounds and don't hunt with it.
For a light plinker, I use 5.1g of Unique with a 200g SWC bullet. I don't use it in the Glocks due to the Hexagonal rifling, but it works great in the Colt and my S&W 1917 Army Model. |
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| 0) 45 acp................. 185 gr 7.6 gr AA#5 jams w/stock Patriot spring
1) 45 acp..................185 gr 10.2 gr AA#5 1100 fps 18,000psi
2) 45 acp +P...............185 gr 10.8 gr AA#5 1200 fps 21,700 psi
3) 45 Super................185 gr 12.4 gr AA#5 1312 fps 28,000 cup
4) 460 Rowland............ 185 gr 14.5 gr AA#5 1500 fps 38,800 cup
5) Easy extraction ........185 gr 15.0 gr AA#5 *rifle
6) Case starts to stretch..185 gr 15.2 gr AA#5 *rifle
7) difficult extraction ...185 gr 16.0 gr AA#5 *rifle
8) primer falls out .......185 gr 16.5 gr AA#5 *rifle
9) accurate heavy bullet...230 gr 13.0 gr AA#5 *rifle [image]http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting/oddsandends/graphics/s/1.jpg [/image] |
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| Defense load=230g Gold Dots in front of ~10g Blue Dot (work up from ~8g.)
That gives me ~ 860 fps from 4" of bbl, a little on the hot side of fine.
For plinking I shoot 230g cast at around650 fps, also w/Bluedot, don't recall the charge, but I think about 7.5g or so. Not rocket science, just find a reasonable starting load from the gajillion manuals, and work up. Steve's pages will give you a good starting range in a number of powders. |
| | | Posts: 2000 | Location: Beaverton OR | Registered: 19 December 2002 |
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0) 45 acp................. 185 gr 7.6 gr AA#5 jams w/stock Patriot spring
1) 45 acp..................185 gr 10.2 gr AA#5 1100 fps 18,000psi
2) 45 acp +P...............185 gr 10.8 gr AA#5 1200 fps 21,700 psi
3) 45 Super................185 gr 12.4 gr AA#5 1312 fps 28,000 cup
4) 460 Rowland............ 185 gr 14.5 gr AA#5 1500 fps 38,800 cup
5) Easy extraction ........185 gr 15.0 gr AA#5 *rifle
6) Case starts to stretch..185 gr 15.2 gr AA#5 *rifle
7) difficult extraction ...185 gr 16.0 gr AA#5 *rifle
8) primer falls out .......185 gr 16.5 gr AA#5 *rifle
9) accurate heavy bullet...230 gr 13.0 gr AA#5 *rifle [image]http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting/oddsandends/graphics/s/1.jpg [/image]
Do you need anything done to the gun for the +p loads? What is the 45 super and 460 Rowland?
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| | | Posts: 3865 | Location: Cheyenne, WYOMING, USA | Registered: 13 June 2000 |
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| I should mention I have a 24# spring in my Compact. |
| | | Posts: 2000 | Location: Beaverton OR | Registered: 19 December 2002 |
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| Pop, If you read these three articles; A Kimber in .45 Super� for under $8 ? - Part I, II, and III, you will know all about changeing recoil springs and case support. http://www.real-guns.com/archives/020.htmhttp://www.real-guns.com/archives/021.htmhttp://www.real-guns.com/archives/022.htmThe Strarline 45acp +P brass has a thicker web and thicker walls [less capacity and more weight], and will work well to keep the case bulge from appearing when the pressures apporoach 45 Super in a pistol with poor case support. I have a Para Ord P10 with terrible case support: .235" of chamber missing for enhanced feeding, and the web of 45 acp brass is only .180" thick, which would leave .075" of thin case wall unsupported. But I have a load for it: 152gr LSWC copperized bullet from National Bullet that is .575" long, must be 1.275" OAL to feed, Factory crimp, Starline +P brass, 12 gr Power Pistol ok, 12.5 tiny case bulge. |
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| 230gr rn lead and 5.0grs of H-5066 |
| | | Posts: 3097 | Location: Louisiana | Registered: 28 November 2001 |
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| POP- www.realguns.com and go to the loading section,there is alot of loads, expecially +P loads. I have done the spring change in my 5in Springfield for shooting the 45 Super Loads.. Went to a 27lb recoil spring. Before I was using a 185 gr Golden Saber with 9.2-9.6grs of Power Pistol. Ordered the 45 Super Brass from Starline. www.starlinebrass.com or 1-800-280-6660- cost me $64.00 for 500rds a few years ago, and shipping is free. Now I use any where from 10.8-to-11.3 grs of Power Pistol with the 185gr Golden Saber-1382 av.fps. Better accuracy than with any one of my to Rugers-4in and 6in in a Security Six, and faster. Very clean burning and accurate powder. Sorry if you only wanted bullseye powder loads. I have bought 45+p Golden Saber loads from www.kieslersonline.com for carry- self defence Loads.  |
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So all I have to do is buy 45 Super brass and change to a "tighter" spring? Nothing else?
Maybe, thats all Joe D'Alessandro at RealGuns.Com did.
I would also add that the loads have to be worked up with an eye toward case bulge. Here is a picture I took:
picture of a case with case bulge
If you get a case bulge in an incremental load work up, the work up is done. Usable load must be reduced from the case bulge load. I drape a towel over the pistol to catch the brass.
You don't "need" 45 Super brass.
45 Super brass is marked to keep the loads seperate.
The 45 Super brass does not have any pressure performance advantages over any other 45acp brass per my experiments. The man at Starline tells me it has better heat treat, but the primer falls out at exactly the same load level as every other 45acp brass, when overloaded in my rifle.
Starline 45acp +P brass is the ONLY brass that does have pressure performance advantage in chambers with poor support.
The standard way to match the recoil spring(s) with the load is to have the empty cases fly 5 feet. I have gone through a math derivation and found that that means the slide is touching the frame stop, but not slamming it:
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| I use 1 load for everything - 4.8 gr of Titegroup under a 200 gr bullet, RNFP hardcast or Speer HP. |
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| I just loaded 4.4grs. Titegroup with 230gr. D&J cast bullet, anyone know if this might be an accurate load, and what velocity I may get from my Colt series '70'? Jay |
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| It depends mostly if you have a steel-gun and not a poly-type. I got 3 different springs weights from wolf spring com. and tried different loads. The saying 5-6ft brass flying away from you're foot stance is right, and you also can get out of [[time]]. That meaning that the slide comes back so fast it will put ding's in the side of the brass. I got some buffer's from buffer technology and I also beefed up my magazine springs by 2 more pounds than factory spec's cause it does make you slide work alot faster than normal. My best loads were not the 11.3 but 10.9 with Power Pistol. My first spring was so light and I pushed the limit to 11grs. to start with and the brass went 12-14 feet. That put some deep dings in the brass. Just have to practice with the loads and springs. My sst-- Springfield came with a heavy firing pin spring and a titanium firing pin. When you get the slide spring you also get the heavy firing pin spring in the same package. If you have any questions, just E-mail Joe at real guns he is pretty nice to get back to you and a smart Man at that. |
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It depends mostly if you have a steel-gun and not a poly-type. I got 3 different springs weights from wolf spring com. and tried different loads. The saying 5-6ft brass flying away from you're foot stance is right, and you also can get out of [[time]]. That meaning that the slide comes back so fast it will put ding's in the side of the brass. I got some buffer's from buffer technology and I also beefed up my magazine springs by 2 more pounds than factory spec's
cause it does make you slide work alot faster than normal. My best loads were not the 11.3 but 10.9 with Power Pistol. My first spring was so light and I pushed the limit to 11grs. to start with and the brass went 12-14 feet. That put some deep dings in the brass. Just have to practice with the loads and springs. My sst-- Springfield came with a heavy firing pin spring and a titanium firing pin. When you get the slide spring you also get the heavy firing pin spring in the same package. If you have any questions, just E-mail Joe at real guns he is pretty nice to get back to you and a smart Man at that.
I have a Stainless Dan Wesson Patriot Expert 1911 45 ACP.  |
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| Fine looking piece of metal hand work There-Gonna try some Power Pistol for youre Super Loads or just use what you have Laying around>? |
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