I'm having a problem with my new neighbors. A little bit down the road there are a couple of farms that have a seemingly unlimited source of crats. These crats invariably make it up the road and into my yard, where of course I do my duty as a citizen and blast them. Now I have a new neighbor moved in between me and the farms. I've noticed a decrease in the supply of crats to blast. It seems my new neighbors are blasting the crats befor they can get to my place. I really hate to complain since cratblasting is a national pastime around here, but what the hell am I supposed to do?? Leave my favorite cratblaster rust in the rack? Stop loading ammo? Not buy any new cratblasters? None of these things are acceptable alternatives. BUT a guy just can't bitch about somebody blasting crats

Take your cratblaster and a 12 pack down and introduce yourself. With any amount of luck (and a little charm) you could find your self with a new crat hunting partner AND a new place to hunt from.

Refer to the Cat Whacker’s Rules of Etiquette, ( available from PETA ) and simply enlighten your neighbor as to his errant ways. I am sure he will see the light.

Butch,

you could always build a gunner's nest on top of your house and get a long range crat blaster the best I've found is a 7mm rem mag with 100 gr. matchkings.

before you say anything I know that matchkings are not made for hunting but they give great amounts of distruction and violent expantion and long range accuracy. they are the purrrrfect bullet for lawn lions. You can really reach out and touch one with em.

Just make sure that he is shooting them first !! Maybe invite him to this forum !!!

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you could always build a gunner's nest on top of your house and get a long range crat blaster the best I've found is a 7mm rem mag with 100 gr. matchkings.

My friends, in order to avoid a devastating Matchking debate that would ruin this forum for years to come, the moderator ought perhaps to lock this thread now

However, since we are all free men and women and will not ask to be policed, let me instead suggest that we agree that a 110 grain Speer TNT, shot from a 7 mm RUM, would do the job nicely.

Now we can go on in life and discuss why Mark Sullivan has not made any crat-videos. Is the thought of a charging crat to frightning???

Regards,
Marterius

For the "neighbor hogging all the crats" argument, I think we can all take a lesson from World War II. Especially from something called the "Thach weave", where American pilots figured out how to nearly triple their individual score to loss ratio against another sort of disgusting vermin, namely the Japanese. Together you can both kill far more than you could individually.

Why the argument? The worst crat gun I ever had was great, and the worst bullet was more than good enough-even my 5mm Sheridan pellet rifle.

I'm with 120mm on this un, and as for the Matchking thing, my only concern is that they make bigger holes than crats, thus you would have a ballistic conundrum. And no evidence for B&C.

First make sure the neighbor IS blasting crats, then by the 12-pack. Take your laptop wireless when you intro yourself, I'd like to meet the guy!

Dan

Pres., TYHC

www.SwapRecipies.Too

First: Make sure he IS whacking them.

After that, introduce yourself and set-up a collaboration between the both of you. Doing the deed on HIS property is a better step than on yours.

You can set-up a regular meeting time to help decrease the population. You can even set-up dual blinds with a two-way radio to assure that one of you gets the shot. Of course, make sure that there is a sound barrier between the uncool neighbor and where you are set-up.

Yeah, I say join him with a 12 pack and your favorite pet getter.

This could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

Oh yes, with the two-way, you can synchronize it to where you both trip the sear at the same time and can get two at the same time. Synchronized tom removal...

I can't believe you guys! It is so obvious! Lay a bait trail around this interlopers property(out of his sight) and onto your range. Geez, all this whining and all it needs is a couple of cans of sardines,even the cheap ones will do. derf

The solution seems simple enough.

Build a house between the two crat farms.

You could be shooting doubles. Low left/high right, etc.

Grow your own crats duh

Butch,

I think that the beer and conversation is a great idea and you could work out a compromise on even days he can crat all he wants on the odd days he just scares them your way.
Now choice of weapon for CRATS, remington 700 bdl in 30-06 with 220GR Rd nose hornady #3090 and 59.8 GR of Norma MRP powder will turn the crats into furballs in a hurry! Good luck!

John, welcome to our house and our cause! Question about your load, does it give you thru and thru penetration...for the entire herd?

Dan

Pres., TYHC

www.TERMINAL.Ballistics

I think we will have to forgive John for now DD as he appears to be new at this. I am guessing this as he does not seem to appreciate the vacumn effect of a 110gr bullet in the 30/06! We live and hopefully we learn! derfie

Hmmm, I have a couple hundred in .308. After running them through the Lee Factory Crimp die, they feed very well in my FAL. Good for all kinds of vermin.

Gentlemen,

I'm sorry, but I can not continue to condone the use of a 30-06 or larger caliber for Krat intervention due to the potential safety problems. Having spent a significant portion of my recent waking moments studing the problem, I have concluded the .204 Ruger is replacing the 22-250 as the prefered interdiction method. This conclusion should not discourge the use of a suppressed .22 short CB cap, sub-sonic Agila 60 gr or a 55 pound compound bow with a 4 blade cut on contact broadhead.

When the 32 gr V-Max is applied to the center of mass of a retreating Krat, the result is not unlike the effect of an unperferated Johnsonville Brat on very hot grill. The skin expands to contain the pressure, however the contents are pushed forward at mach 3 and exit thru what was the krat's neck.....all things being equal, the skinning process is complete with the exception of the 4 little feet and the tail which remains erect for some time. This technique is not fully perfected to date, however it will remove a full sized specimen from the warm hood a Ford F250 in less time than you can say "SPLAT". Research continues!!

Yessir, that little .204 is gaining some popularity in a hurry. Dunno if it will replace the .22-250 or not but that's not important in the big scheme of things to me. I have a .22-250 that's going to be converted to .250 Savage so you might infer that I'm going in the other direction. Anytime you insert a 75gr VMAX in a crat at 3000+ fps it's pretty damn interesting, and I know what you mean about terminal skinning. It ain't fully matured technology but appears to have a lot of potential!

I'm with you on the -06 though. I wouldn't use one on a crat...unless it was all I had. Or maybe if there was a whole pride at the gut pile. Or it I'd been drinkin'. Or I was just pissed off about politics. Or the weather.

Dan

Pres., TYHC

http://www.UrbanGame.Backup

Direction is important, but it is really results that matter!! I'm a big fan of the .250 and it is one of my possibilities for a new G2 carbine barrel so I may take your lead and try it on fox bait too.

I have a 6.5-20x Simmons AO on my .204 and the lack of recoil along with the weight of a 26" heavy barrel, it is like watching the event on wide screen digital TV....except there is no playback feature....unless there are two Krats. The .223 or .22-250 just don't give the same clarity...nor would the .250. The 17 HMR is almost there, but lacks the enthusiasm to fully exploit the moment....I'm pretty well hooked on the .204!!

C'mon now folks? Can't we all jest git along? Be big enough to recognize that fad cartridges such as the .204 HYPER HYPE have but a limited place in the cat armory, while the '06 is probably better most times such as when that devious, marauding pussy is hiding behind a block wall, or has its vitals covered up by a substantial tree. Even cb caps may be useful at quiet times too. N.(unrepentant rock lock taker of cats) S.

The '06 is an excellent crat round. For best results neck it down to .25, stuff the case with RL19 and top it off with a 75 grain V-max

Gentlemen,

Very good points!!

I can also see the advantage of necking up to the Whelen rounds under conditions of heavy cover, body armour and other situations. Frequently, tactical situations challenge our ability to get a clean shot and require us to be patient, waiting out the cagey feline or to employ diversions to encourge the critter out of it's hiding spot, not unlike the old tactic used for body lice or "crabs". You shave one side and squirt lighter fluid on the other....light the fluid and kill the lice with an ice pick when they flee to escape the fire......wooks every time!! Learned that from a Ranger. It's hard to find the old DDT powder anymore.

Please don't take my excitment over the .204 to mean that other rounds can not be employeed successfully....they can. The .204 just seems to be the perfect answer to the krat problem. A year ago I would have been on the side of the .22-250, Swift or lesser .22CFs. A friend talked me into trying the .204 last fall and when I did, I was very impressed with the results. Field performance on a par with the big .22s (on krat and fox size critters) burning alot less powder with less recoil and the ability to see the whole event is pretty neat.

The other "fad" round that really impresses me is the 17 HMR. Not on a level of the .204, but impressive none the less. I have one in Rem 597 and I shot 3 crows out of a field at about 75 yds in a matter of 3 seconds or so. The last one was just speading it wings to fly when I shot it...hit and obviously wounded, so I shot it again. 4 shots in about 5-6 seconds and 3 dead crows. I can't do that with my 06 or my K Hornet or my black rifle. Other than these two, the newest "fad" round I shoot is the .223. I'm pretty well stuck on old traditional rounds.

Anyway...give one or both of these new fangled rounds a try and I think you will like them too!!

Sherlock,

Have you been to Wilbers in Goldsboro lately?

LR, don't misunderstand my mindless drivel as a condemnation of the .204. All cartridges are good, some have different envelopes of performance and thus applications. I suppose that once they have aged a bit I'll grow more fond of them, most of my arsenal uses cases older than I am.

One conceptual abberation however is the group of micro-bores(not a copyrighted phrase BTW), such as the .17 Rem and a few that are smaller. I know hide hunters like them because they are hide kind, but alas, I do not hunt hides, I hunt vermin. Or is it Birman? Anyway, IF one were graced with enough energy to do the cammo/call ambush on critters I'd assume there would be enough residual energy to sew a tiny bit of hide later on. The stories I read about range limitations, second shots, and the PROPER placement required to use the .17s, .14s etc is enough to make me consign that aspect of our sport equality with ultra light fishing. When the critters get more than a few pounds in weight in either case it has the clear possibility of entering the realm of 'cruel and unusual'. As opposed to 'cool and unusual', that be the state of being commonly referred to as Red Mist. I like RM as a minimum, prefer chunks when possible. I do not like torture for other than Muslim Radicals and Liberals.

That is all.

Dan

Pres., TYHC

http://www.Spectacular.Ballistics

DD,

I'm with ya most of the way down that road....

Liberalism is a growing mental health problem in this country that requires immediate attention and corrective action.....

Radicals of any persausion and illegal aliens need to be dealt with swiftly and decisively to eliminate the threat.

Hello L 49. I don't know Wilbers in Goldsboro. The closest I get that way is Jacksonville (Hubert) to shoot a little caplock musket/12 pound mortar occasionally. I do get to Fayetteville a couple of times a year though. Bulk ammo is cheap there. 5.56 worky good on cat.

Wilber's BBQ in Goldsboro....great stuff when you can get it!!

12 pound mortar...now that's a piece of krat hardware for sure!! I'm really surprise to hear about a mortar twice in one evening. I did a NRA pistol class tomight for a group of women and a student's husband shoots a mortar at floating targets in the Chesapeake Bay....I thought that was unusual, but then I prefer claymores myself. That's very interesting!!

Shoot safe N.S.

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Dan

Pres., TYHC

www.TERMINAL.Ballistics

Dan Sorry it took so long for me to get back, been busier than a snake chittin marbles. I am not sure about thr and thru for the herd but it turns them into fuzzy slippers one at a time......lol.

I thought I had stumbled/shuffled into the 45/70...MatchKing.....mixed debate.

Hi Marterius,long time,no post.
We/I have been missing you.

Welcome All New Comers.Some of you will rue the day you found dis place.

Actually butchloc's grave problem was the arrival of a new neighbor who was "hogging" all the cats by virture of a house astride a natural cat travel lane. Now as one who has "hogged" a few in the neighborhood by superior scent trail placement and indeed, accurate reloading and shooting in my time, I must say that sometimes when you are low in cats, you have to beg, borrow or steal them. I once got a few from the "free kittens" part of the classifieds, took a few from a box full at the girl scout cookie concession table at walmart when the giant girlscout there wasn't looking, stole three out of a parked lincoln outside the Ladies Cat Fancy Society Meeting late one night, and D. Dan shipped me a few from Yankeetown. I had to grow my own for a while. Its like water rights in the west for butchloc. He will just have to work it out with the new neighbor or else get better at hogging cats himself.

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Originally posted by poletax:
Hi Marterius

Interesting, but???

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Interesting, but???

I can’t believe you guys are advising a new guy that a 30-06 is too big! My god, what if he is charged by a crat? After having been charged by a renegade grinner armed only with a #34 Louisville Slugger and survived, I always try to use enough gun. I recommend at least a .375 H&H unless you’re shooting from safe distance.

why screw around with a pidling .375?
This thing will hold 3/4 of a pound of BB shot!

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You got a point there. But what if a quick second shot is needed to stop the charge?

That's why the infantry is armed with bayonets.

If anything within 75 yards survives that; the bayonets aren't gonna help.
Think M2 .50 cal. Browning.