5-31 is "BoobyTraps-1985". I can visualize the uses and need for FFE but do not have that booklet. derf

Bah! There is no problem that ANFO can't solve!

Toolmaker

Wholly Digital Dan! I just put two and two together. Is a klipspringer with little horns, a big smile, and new braces your avatar? ned

Javole, it is the Aryan Klipspringer komplete with the latest in scientific enhancements. Der frauliens kannot resisten mine charm! Plus I kan klick 4 heels at once UND goren kats too! Und attracten der lighten boltens from sky. Am natural disaster waiten to hoopen.

Dan

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When we had our hobby farm we had some goats that looked almost like that. What I remember best about them is 1) that they were randy enough to jump the Beagle(and she let them ) 2) how flipping bad they often smelled. So Danny boy,what are you trying to tell us? OK, I'm wide open and it's your turn! derfie

I have found a few names for the new, soon to be, world wide standard in hand held cat-splatting ballistic technology, and would like your opinions. They come from the Readers Digest Great Encyclopedic Dictionary:

1. CATabasis: ka-tab'a-sis - A going downward; descent
--such as .17 CATabasis Special

2. CATabolism: ka-tab'a-liz'em - The process by which tissue material breaks down into simpler and more stable substances.
--such as .224 CATabolism Kerwhacken Blitzkrieg Waffenboomer

3. CATerwaul: kat'er-wol -To utter the discordant cry of cats at rutting time. To make any dicordant screeching.
--such as .510 CATerwaul CATapult

Well, that's it for now. Sorry I couldn't see a way to bring in a bit more of the Teutonic lilt to the whole thing. Please lend your support to this noble effort. I stand ready to bring this thing to life, and knowing it will be ORIGINAL , swear to the God of all dead cats to detail the project completely as it developes, in the WildCAT forum here at AR. It MUST be worthy however, so give it your best effort.

I did have a thought about the flechette thing: The numbers are approximations off the top of my head so don't start sharp shooting yet. A 12 bore with sub-caliber projectile, darts most likely, which will obviate the need for rifling. A central dart of perhaps .25 caliber, fin stabilized, weight of around 150 grains. Surround it with smaller darts, about .14 caliber, also fin stabilized of about 20 grains. All of this package contained in a discarding sabot designed to mesh with the darts to maintain longitudinal orientation parallel with bore centerline. If you have to go 10 bore, so be it. Target weight of around 1-1/8 ounce including sabot, velocity around 2000 fps. It may require the use of a dedicated firearm to contain the required pressures, I haven't run a ballistics check on this one.

That is all for now...really.

Dan

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How 'bout the little known but deadly 7.65x38 Kersplattenkat?

I feel unworthy! derf

Der Grosse50KalibreKattenPasportezuHellischePlatzvonDerf?

My Gawd, makes me want to polish my boots and click my heels!

Can we call it the .50 KKP for short? Kind of a counter point to all those tight assed BR shooters?

Dan

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Some shooters use a little holster to stick their bolts in. Some don't. Seriously though, almost any gun, even with a common name is well suited to dispatching field lions. From reading "Adventures of the Mole Patrol" lately I wonder if a mole spear could be set up ABOVE ground, sort of a cubby set, with real Sardinian sardines, for crats.

If one is going to turn to unconventional warfare to combat the attempted takeover by the felines perhaps one should pick up a copy of the TM 31-201-1 or the FM 5-31. Either book should provide answers and solutions! derf

Dan, claybuster is on to something here with the Mauser action. I was resistant at first because of his sedentary choice of shells but i think if we simply renamed it then the excitement would return. I still think dersplattenkat is perfect and really expresses the thrills, sights and sounds of the hunt. But your .510 CATerwaul is not far behind. We're really onto something here gentlemen (and lady). Recognition is not far behind.

jd, you may have a point about the 8mm. I'm guessing that the .510 CATerwaul might be a bit cumbersome when training young marksmen and hunters. Plus, there's a lot of '06 brass out there. You think an 8mm DerSplattenKat with a 130 gr FNHP out of sintered iron would be safe in the neighborhoods of America? I'm thinking mebbe an 18" barrel w/ a red dot sight, ching sling and a back up Ghost Ring. How 'bout it?

Dan

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My real concern would be the muzzle flash from the short barrel,,,,Sintered iron is some nasty stuff,I tryed to turn some in my lathe one day,,Had to stop untill I found a full face shield due to the spraying effect of the shavings,,was 10 thousandths away from my goal when the piece shattered Clay

Clay, I didn't know you COULD turn it. I was thinking about the old style gallery loads. It is very frangible, I know that. I always thought they made 'em with something like a swage die, or maybe a pound die. Another option would be tungsten, which Corbin sells, along with the dies to do the rest. It needs to be swaged inside a jacket as it comes in powder form. Maybe a J4 or some other really thin jacket. Bet it would make a big 'goosh' outbound, but would not be cheap or neighborhood friendly.

Problably I'm just full of bat feathers, and would make a 130 grain HCFP, pure lead and paper patched. Round about 2000 fps and it will make a mess out of most any small critter.

Dan

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...30 round clip, silencer and a bayonet should round out our vision of the perfect lawn lion weapon. Who's going to set up the barrel buy? Clay's got the brass so it looks like we're almost halfway there. Dan, paper-patched 130's oughta do the trick. Really has that vintage feel. Might be a good idea to include instructions on suitable ghillie suit camo for those nocturnal sneaks, said weapon in hand, through the urban hinterlands.

Slight modification to the new cartridge's name: 8mm DerFsplattenkat. one must pay homage to the greats of this fine forum.

Dan,I was trying to cut out navistar on a set of exhaust collectors,,Failed miserably I learned first hand that sintered iron is non-machineable,,But,nothing ventured,,,nothing gained .Caterpillar could'nt use a standard flare for the exhaust manifolds,,they used this funky "bubble crimp" not able to be duplicated on a regular pipe machine.JD,,as Dan said,,,There's plenty of 06 brass on the market for cheap Clay

This is almost right up my alley. I have a 1939 K98(noncollectable) and a fair wack of loaded ammo. I also have 8MM dies.
Now, I have experimented with frangable R/B for the 50 Hawken and found that if I preload the R/B mold with 7 1/2 shot and then pour in the molten lead(extra hot) it forms a not to shabby frangible Round Ball. I have to use a reduced load and a slightly thinner patch, but it would make a dandy urban crat killing load. I suppose the next step is to aquire an 8MM mold and try this trick with it. derf

Ah, we have the technology!

Dan

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Derf, is FM 5-31 Field Fire Expedients? If so, I think FFE is almost always a correct solution ot any of life's little problems, including Porch Pantherss